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Start a Movement27:18 with Marc Goodner
Do you lack a place to get together with other Makers at work? –Talk +Do is the ethos of The Garage. This is a story of how that was applied in one company that led to an internal Maker movement that is still growing.
So you can take these home for, with you, for 5.99. 0:05 They're down at a1a on the entrance to the freeway, if you're 0:08 interested, but what we really want to take home with us is this. 0:12 This experience that we've had here, has been just fantastic. 0:15 Just this spirit. 0:20 Doing this. I love that. 0:24 That was one of the best things 0:28 I saw while I was here. So how do we bring this home? 0:30 And why am I the guy to talk to you about it? 0:34 I started Maker Garage at where I work, back in 2011. 0:37 The initial intent that I had was just to get together with other hardware work, 0:43 hardware hackers after work, because I didn't want 0:46 to go all the way into the city. 0:50 Wanted to stay closer, just seemed quicker to 0:51 just meet some people for a little bit and 0:53 then get home. 0:55 You know it also seemed like there were a lot of people where I work 0:56 who were really smart, and I'd like to talk to them about what they're doing. 0:59 And you know, the thing is is that my background is a lot like everybody here. 1:05 I'm a software guy, you know? 1:09 I didn't use power tools, I'd been interested in electronics and 1:11 hardware but I'd never really been able to get anything to stick. 1:15 And then something changed. Back in 2009, this guy, 1:18 my son started to get into electronics and we have Snap Circuits to thank for that. 1:24 He you know, really started to get interested in it and I started looking at 1:30 online resources to help him and do stuff, 1:34 and we started to make little projects together. 1:37 And for his ninth birthday I bought him an 1:39 Adafruit kit for the Draudio and we actually assembled it. 1:41 And it worked! I couldn't believe it. 1:45 It worked. 1:47 It was the first thing I'd ever soldered that worked with 1:48 that $10 Radio Shack soldering iron that you shouldn't ever use. 1:50 >> [LAUGH] 1:54 >> But it worked. 1:56 And so it was like wow, all right, let's, let's keep doing this. 1:56 Let's do more. And so, we did. 2:01 I've, that was my workshop for a while. 2:05 We moved off of the kitchen table and got a piece of plywood and shoved it 2:08 in an extra room, bought an actual nice 2:11 soldering iron, which really helped other projects succeed. 2:14 We kept doing stuff. We went down to a local space 2:18 called Metrix where my son bought his mother a Valentine's 2:22 Day present, which was the little heart shaped box on Thingiverse. 2:26 And so that was fantastic, you know, to actually get 2:29 to see a 3D printer, you know, for the first time. 2:31 And I actually made that. I was very very proud of that. 2:35 My wife loves that. 2:39 That's the internet, if you're not familiar with it. 2:40 It's wireless. lovely, lovely device. 2:43 But so, you know, I, I then started to discover other things like 2:48 music from outer space, which is 2:52 a fantastic website if you like synthesizers. 2:54 Lots of boards, easy to work with, you know, just fantastic. 2:57 And I'd always wanted to build a synthesizer. 3:01 You know, I had books, I think, in the early '90s, on how to do this 3:03 but it was, just, I felt like I needed to go back to college, you know? 3:06 And so, but now, here's this website, and 3:10 all these resources I can follow along, and 3:12 so I'm getting more into this. 3:13 I built a weird sound generator, which my son loved [LAUGH], his sister not so much. 3:16 but, you know, then in 2011 a couple of 3:25 new guys joined my team and they were makers and 3:28 we started talking and I had never actually had anybody 3:32 else at work who was kind of into this stuff. 3:34 I would show it to people and a lot of people were like, the software 3:36 guys, you know? 3:39 And, but these two software guys were hardware guys, too. 3:40 One of them had a lot of, board design experience. 3:44 And the other guy, the other guy had a 3D printer. 3:47 And he bought one, one of those ups, you know, off the shelf. 3:51 Print something, and it just works. But at any rate, I felt like I. 3:55 Well, you know what? 3:59 I've built so many kits now. I can build a 3D printer. 4:00 I didn't know what I was getting into with this 4:03 this consumed probably the next two years of my life. 4:07 I'm on my third one now, I started hanging out down 4:11 at Metrics and got involved in a kick starter that somebody 4:14 did for delta bot, you know so I was part of 4:17 an alpha build crew, and that was, that was amazing and fantastic. 4:20 But, you know as I said, the 3D printer 4:23 thing, I found out that I learned more from 4:26 the guy at work and, you know, when I could make it, to Metrics, 4:29 from people from who are doing this, than I could from, you know, online resources. 4:33 This was so much harder and I wanted to meet with people at work about this. 4:38 You know, because I knew there were other people 4:43 at work than this one guy with the 3D printers. 4:44 I knew there were more. 4:46 And I wanted to have like a little meaning after, after work, but. 4:48 And that's kinda where, where this comes in, The Garage. 4:51 So where I work there's this notion of the 4:54 garage, which is, the idea of side projects, you know? 4:56 Endorsing side project. 5:01 Go and take that, capture that spirit of the garage and 5:03 pursue that thing, that somebody's not asking you to build, you know? 5:05 And, and see what you can do with it. 5:10 And so there's a little bit of an organ, and really the, the spirit of 5:12 The Garage is summed up in one of our slogans which is, do epic shit. 5:16 And we mean it. We really mean it, you know? 5:20 And, I hadn't really been involved with The Garage though. 5:24 The Garage, there's a lot of initiatives around software and it, mainly it's 5:26 not a big thing, it's not really that many people involved with running it. 5:31 It's mainly volunteers. 5:35 And it brings a little bit of organization to doing things like science fairs, 5:37 And so this is a group of people after one of 5:43 the science fairs, with some of our Golden Volcano award winners. 5:45 So they organized things like hackathons where you could take some paid time 5:50 and learn a new technology and spend two or three days on it. 5:53 They do things like these science fairs I'm mentioning where 5:57 you really go in and show off you side project. 5:59 And you get to show it to some important people, people with titles. 6:02 And those people with titles get to actually, 6:06 you know, pick a winner and a prize might be just some time with some 6:09 executives you know, to actually pitch your idea to maybe make it into a product. 6:12 Maybe to start a new larger scale project that 6:16 you couldn't have done just in your side time, right. 6:19 But the community also picks a winner and that's 6:22 what the Golden Volcano is, the community picks a winner. 6:24 And so you actually even set up with little trifolds and everything, you know? 6:27 But the, The Garage 6:32 they actually even have a volcano. 6:34 This is set off at the end of our science fairs by the Golden Volcano award winner, 6:37 We kinda got in trouble for this, 6:43 They kinda won't let us use that anymore. 6:48 It was actually Kinect controlled so that you could 6:51 actually raise your arms and it would ignite like that. 6:54 And if you swooped them up, fireballs would shoot 6:56 out because they took a gas inlet valve off 6:59 of a propane tank and drilled it out, drilled 7:02 out the safety feature, put their own valve on there. 7:04 We can't use this anymore. 7:09 But so at any rate, you know, it's a, like 7:12 I said, it's a, it's a group of volunteers, largely. 7:14 And the idea is that you organize into these chapters. 7:17 And the chapters are organized around 7:20 things like maybe a specific technology area. 7:22 Some, sometimes a business group might actually have a, a garage chapter. 7:25 Sometimes it's by location, because we're a large company so we have 7:30 many locations and different places and so, you know, in one particular 7:33 location that might not be very large. 7:37 They just were going to get together after work and do this stuff. 7:39 But still it was all software related. And you know, 7:43 it didn't really resonate that much to me, with what I was doing in my side time. 7:49 But they had a picture on their website of this lab. 7:54 And this, cuz it's not a, the only physical insensation, 7:56 instantiation it has is a large conference room with open seating. 8:01 And you know, it's bookable that things like stay late and code and 8:06 you know, things like that and some of these science fair, it's used for. 8:10 But what, they had a picture and across from that room, there was another room, 8:13 a lab and that lab had a laser cutter in it and I wanted to use that laser cutter. 8:21 But I could find no instructions on there about 8:27 how to actually get access to that laser cutter. 8:29 And so, I started thinking about it and I started 8:32 thinking about my desire to actually, you know, meet with people 8:35 after work about 3D printers and I thought that's too narrow. 8:38 We should do a maker. 8:41 You know, we should do something for all makers, 8:43 for everything, and I wrote kind of a ranty email. 8:45 And I sent it to the guy that ran Stay Late and Code, 8:50 cuz I really didn't know anybody over there, and I copied some email alias. 8:52 And the guy who was a community manager for the garage replied back in 8:56 about five minutes, and said, it sounds like you you want to start a chapter. 8:59 I said, crap. But, we decided to do it. 9:04 And about a week later we had our first meeting. 9:09 and, you know, so, how do you do this? You know, what did we do? 9:12 And, and how could you do this, you know, when you go back to where you work? 9:17 All you need is people. 9:21 That's really all you need. 9:23 The first meeting we had, we just kind of sent out an inquiry to, 9:25 you know, a couple of different email 9:29 discussion lists we had, and just found people. 9:31 Some people we knew and invited. 9:33 But we just got a group of people together and we talked. 9:35 And we talked about what they build, what they 9:37 wanna build, and just started to go from there. 9:40 Because, you know, you don't need people with rare skills. 9:43 They'll show up. 9:47 And they won't really admit to you that they have rare skills. 9:49 People are very humble, you know? A lot 9:51 of people know a lot of things, but they don't 9:54 recognize how much they know in comparison to other people. 9:57 But when you get together, you start learning from each other. 10:00 And so, the main thing, the main reason to get together 10:04 is to share and you need to enable that sharing by 10:06 talking about each others' projects, and, you know, just kind of 10:09 do round robin discussions and show and tell and things like that. 10:12 Because it, it really gives people a reason to get together and, and want 10:15 to come together and talk, you know? 10:19 And tools are nice, it's nice to get together 10:21 and share tools, but you don't need it at first. 10:23 You know, you really don't need it at first. 10:26 Because tools come with a heavy price of space. 10:28 You need a place to put em. 10:31 And that can, that can be hard. 10:33 And, you know, the thing is, that it's really easy to do this. 10:35 I mean, at a company, you have space, you have space. 10:38 If you wanna start your own hacker space, 10:43 you have to go sign a lease. 10:44 You've got conference rooms, go use em after work. 10:46 Nobody's using them. 10:49 They're empty. 10:50 Unless there's a real, something bad going 10:52 on, and then you probably shouldn't be there. 10:54 but, you know, keep the organization of it simple, you know. 10:57 Because the thing is, you do have a 11:01 job, and you don't want to over complicate this. 11:02 So just keep it simple. 11:04 You know, we just called ours stay late 11:06 and build, where we would just get together 11:07 to build things. 11:09 But you, you also want to establish an open 11:11 communication channel with the people that are in your group. 11:12 You know, be it an email alias, or what have you. 11:15 Whatever works where you work. 11:18 However people talk to each other. 11:19 Establish that channel dedicated to this so 11:21 that you can keep in touch between meetings. 11:23 And keep that going, you know, so that people want to be there. 11:26 so, you know? 11:31 And as we, we grew, people started to bring more stuff. 11:32 And, you know, 11:35 it's, but so, like, that. 11:39 I mean, this is just that open space conference room. 11:41 That's all that is, you know? 11:43 And people just showed up with some of their tools, 11:44 some of their projects, and just sat down, and started doing. 11:46 So you don't need a maker space. 11:49 It's nice to have funding. 11:52 If you can get funding, get some funding. 11:53 You know, if you can find somebody who's got 11:55 a PR budget or some morale budget, grab it. 11:56 Grab what you can. 11:59 Use it. 12:00 The first thing you should use it for is food. 12:01 Feed these people. They will show up if you have pizza. 12:04 Make sure you order vegetarian and meat. Keep everybody happy. 12:09 But you know, you got to, you got to keep it. 12:15 It's very nice, it's very nice to have a maker space to keep your things in. 12:17 It's very nice. 12:20 You know, so if you can get that, you should get it. 12:21 But you want to keep it moving. 12:23 You want to meet regularly. You don't want to disappoint people. 12:25 Don't promise a meeting and not show up. 12:28 That's really important. 12:31 You know, you want people to show and feel satisfied and feel like they had, 12:33 that it was a positive experience and if 12:36 you schedule something and you're not there or 12:38 something falls through, you need to make sure that somebody can cover it. 12:40 Because there is nothing that can something like this fall apart quicker 12:44 than to disappoint people who are showing up in their spare time. 12:46 And you, you've got to make sure that you communicate. 12:51 Get email reminders out to people to show up on 12:55 the day of, so that people, oh that is today. 12:57 Do it on a regular day. 13:00 Tuesdays. Tuesdays are great. 13:02 Thursdays are great. 13:04 But a regular day on a regular schedule. 13:05 Don't do the first and third of the month or something like that. 13:07 You know, it's too complicated. 13:10 Is this the first week of the month? 13:12 Is this the third week of the month for Thursday, I'm not sure. 13:13 It varies sometimes. 13:16 So keep it simple. Follow up. 13:18 Definitely send follow up messages to people with pictures. 13:21 People like pictures. 13:25 When you include pictures in your follow up emails about what happened, when 13:27 you send pictures out like this, people go oh, I wish I was there. 13:30 I wanted to do that, and that helps grow 13:34 your community, and starts getting it, you know, bigger. 13:37 And, you know, I mentioned it's hard to get out to some 13:41 of these hacker spaces some times, do it, especially if you're 13:43 trying to organize something like this, go to those hacker spaces. 13:46 Meet the people that run them. 13:50 Because they are your support life line and commiserators. 13:52 They will understand that somebody drilled through your fancy, soldering workbench. 13:56 Really, that happened. 14:01 so, our first year I didn't take a lot of pictures. 14:09 You know, we started meeting. 14:14 I mentioned you know, the kind of the first one we just got together to talk. 14:16 We had that borrowed space in the conference center. 14:20 There was that lab, I mentioned that had the 14:22 laser cutter, we got in, we got in there. 14:24 We got access to it. 14:28 And we started training people on how to use a laser cutter. 14:29 And started seeing 14:33 what people would do with it, right? We organized talks. 14:34 We got speakers in on specific subjects as a draw, 14:38 to kind of give people a reason to be there. 14:40 We did find somebody who could order pizza, so we did have food. 14:42 but, you know, we made a lot of mistakes that first year. 14:47 I wasn't particularly good about follow up emails. 14:51 You know, I didn't send a lot of pictures, obviously. 14:53 We were also, we tried to be too accommodating. 14:57 And that's kind of something you have to watch out for. 15:00 Don't be too accommodating. You can't satisfy everyone. 15:02 And that was, you know? 15:05 We had a situation once where I mentioned not to disappoint people. 15:06 We disappointed people, by, you know? 15:10 Someone else was going to run a meeting. 15:12 We were gonna run another meeting on another day. 15:14 We tried to grow too quickly is really what it boiled down to. 15:16 Because not everybody could make the day that we picked. 15:20 So we decided to do another day. 15:22 But the other people that wanted to do that other day 15:24 couldn't, you know, it, it was like a nice thing to do. 15:26 It wasn't like a I must do this. 15:29 No, if you're gonna do it, you must do it. 15:31 Because then people show up and they're disappointed because nobody's there. 15:33 Don't do that. 15:37 Because it can, it can really hurt, you know, what you're trying to do. 15:38 The other thing we did that was bad was actually the laser cutter training. 15:43 we, we put a tax on our core members. 15:48 Because what we did was we tried to be fair. 15:51 We set up a sign up sheet. 15:53 And so we had a, you know, a first in, first out sign up 15:55 sheet, you know, where people would sign up online to get laser cutter training. 15:58 And we'd schedule in a 15 minute slot. 16:02 And it turned into just laser cutter training night for 16:04 some of our core team members, you know, who, are 16:06 some of the most, the people you really wanted there, 16:09 who had the most ideas, who can do the most stuff. 16:12 And instead, they're sitting there training 16:13 people on the laser cutter all night. 16:15 Which is great, but many of those people didn't come back. 16:17 That's not so great. 16:20 So in our second year we got a shelf. 16:22 We actually got in that lab, and we got our own shelf to keep some of our stuff. 16:27 So now we could have some of our own stuff. 16:30 And we got some money. 16:32 And with that money we bought a nice, little 3D printer, a couple of em. 16:33 We bought some nice soldering irons. 16:37 And we bought an oscilloscope and a function generator. 16:40 And, you know, the thing about those tools 16:43 is the 3D printer of course, yeah, they're cool. 16:46 Everybody wants one. 16:49 But the oscilloscope, that's important, because it's 16:50 a tool you might not wanna buy. 16:53 It's a tool that is really helpful. 16:55 But a lot of people don't wanna dedicate that much money towards a tool. 16:58 So it's a very good thing to have, once you can actually 17:02 keep things in, you know, have some, have them in your space. 17:05 And those soldering irons are also 17:09 interesting, because most people can afford to 17:10 buy that soldering iron, but they're not necessarily ready to make that commitment. 17:12 Can it really be that much better than the $10 Radio Shack iron? 17:16 Yes. Get it, show them. 17:20 So, 17:23 we kept getting more projects. More people kept showing up. 17:27 We started to get bigger, especially as we started 17:29 to get better about follow up, and sending those pictures. 17:31 And we started to see amazing stuff like this. 17:33 That's [UNKNOWN]. 17:37 And that's his scaled down model of a Kuka robotic arm. 17:38 That thing is amazing. 17:43 It moves around. 17:44 It's connect control, and if anybody wants to know more 17:45 about that, just come talk to me afterwards, because that, 17:50 that things is just really, really cool. 17:52 It's full of servos really expensive servos. 17:54 They, he was actually worried because the team he works 17:57 on does some robotic stuff and they add some people 18:00 from Kuka that will going to come out and they 18:05 were worried what people from Kukawould think when they saw that. 18:06 And the answer was they wanted one. 18:09 >> [LAUGH] 18:12 >> But you know, we, we kept getting you know, a little bit bigger. 18:13 We stopped 18:16 doing the laser training with the sign up sheet. 18:17 We threw the sign up sheet out the window and what we said was show 18:19 up with your files that you wanna cut and we'll teach you how to cut em, 18:23 and we never had to turn anybody away. 18:30 And the people that showed up with files to cut came back. 18:32 Sometimes people were just curious to get trained and they wouldn't come back. 18:36 You want the people that'll come back. 18:39 If they have a project that they want to realize and, they're motivated 18:41 for it, it doesn't have to, they don't have to of designed it. 18:45 It could have just been something they wanted, 18:47 that they found on thingiverse or somewhere else. 18:48 But then, you know, they get a taste of that project and they want more. 18:51 You know, they're participants. 18:55 We also started to, we got some quadcopter people in. 18:57 And that was really started to drive a lot of interest because, you'd come 19:00 to this meeting and you'd see all these quadcopters flying along our meeting room. 19:03 that, and as you saw, that's awesome, especially when there's more than one. 19:08 But we kinda started to build up a core group of people that were coming through. 19:13 So we could do more and we started to do kind of bigger projects. 19:17 Bigger projects. That's a one meter 3D printer. 19:22 It worked. [LAUGH] we got filament out of it. 19:28 We never really got a significantly large thing out of it. 19:33 But I'm telling you, just the effort of having 19:37 a group of people working on something like that and, 19:39 we were able to grab a corner of the room, and just kinda keep it there for a while. 19:41 But that was, like, I think that, that really captured 19:45 people's imagination and started to bring more people in 19:47 who wanted, cuz it's like what are you doing? 19:50 How can, you can't do that. 19:52 Maybe. 19:54 I still think we could, if we spent some more time on it. 19:55 But the the other thing we did. 19:59 I, I mentioned that volcano. 20:03 I'm gonna kinda go through this kinda quickly, but. 20:04 We, we had to get rid of that volcano. 20:08 We wanted another volcano and it would be kind 20:10 of cool, if we made that other volcano out of metal. 20:12 So, we [LAUGH] 20:15 we found some, some morale money and decided to go 20:19 to a place to try and make a metal volcano. 20:22 We went down to a place called hazard factory and if you're wondering 20:27 how you can get large corporation spend money at a place called hazard factory. 20:32 But, so, we got 20:37 together and you know, it was kind of amazing. 20:37 We learned you know, how to use a bunch 20:40 of metal working working tools, and a plasma cutter. 20:42 I mean, a plasma cutter. That was amazing. 20:46 We got to do some welding, and you can see this starting to take shape. 20:49 And so, what wound up, what we wound up doing was building this 20:52 metal volcano that has leaves on it, so that the whole things folds open. 20:56 So now, it, our, 21:01 once we have our, our winners, the volcano is actually articulated such 21:03 it opens and we can always have something else inside of the volcano. 21:08 lasers, balloons fog machines. 21:12 So, at any rate I don't really have any pictures of that. 21:16 It's actually still kind of a work in progress. 21:19 We're continually changing the mechanism. But that's, that's fun. 21:20 And, and it it's, it's great. But so we 21:24 finally kinda went outside because what wound up happening was Seattle Mini Maker 21:28 Faire came to town and one of our business groups, Kinect had a booth. 21:32 And they came to the garage, and they, and they wanted to show garage projects. 21:38 And so, what we showed were projects, like this table. 21:42 You kinda can't see it here, but, this is 21:47 a Kinect that's mounted above a regular LCD television. 21:49 If you remember, 21:52 we had a, an earlier surface before the tablet, 21:53 which was like a large coffee table sized thing. 21:57 We had a developer toolkit and all these crazy applications for it. 21:59 Well, this guy actually modified that develop toolkit to work with the Kinect. 22:02 And he pointed it down at a TV screen and got it to work. 22:08 You know, and he, and he showing it off and we actually even open sourced 22:12 that and posted it up on CodePlex so that other people could play with it. 22:15 The other guy over there, Rob Jellinghouse, he he 22:19 set up a beat boxer, a Kinect beat boxer. 22:22 So he's sitting back here and you can't see in 22:25 his other hand but he's got a wii mote so 22:28 that he can make make sounds and beat box and 22:29 assign them positions on the screen and actually move things around. 22:32 And I believe he's got the code for that posted somewhere. 22:35 And then we sat around and we scanned people with 22:38 the Kinect and printed out their heads, which was pretty great. 22:40 So the thing I really liked about this though was we 22:45 had you know, we didn't have any Microsoft signage on this booth. 22:49 As you can see, there's nothing there that says Microsoft. 22:53 And so we'd be standing there just talking about 22:56 what we were making and what we were doing. 22:58 And we'd be talking to people and after about two or 23:00 three minutes, maybe five they'd look and say wait a minute. 23:02 They look at the computers we were using. They were like are you Microsoft? 23:06 Yeah. Yeah, 23:10 and it was kinda, it was this nice way to even just talk to 23:11 people so I mean you never know how this sort of stuff can reverberate. 23:15 It can reverberate in ways in your company that, are beneficial to your products. 23:18 It can be beneficial to just how you do things. 23:23 It can be beneficial from a morale perspective. 23:25 But we kind of, through this and the rest of 23:28 what I was talking about, we kept, we just kept growing. 23:30 And we got our own maker space this year. 23:32 We got a maker space in the library. 23:35 We have a library. 23:36 And we opened a, we took an old computer lab 23:38 in the library, a computer lab I had a computer lab. 23:40 And we took that computer lab and we made it a maker space. 23:43 And we got our own laser cutter, a nice, new laser cutter. 23:45 We've got soldering workbenches, one with a drill hole in it now anyway. 23:48 We've got more 3D printers in there. And this space, on a regular night, 23:55 is normally that room's normally filled with about 30 people 24:01 and out in the library there's normally another ten to 15. 24:04 You know, so I mean it's, it's really, really fantastic. 24:07 And actually, I might have if I've got connectivity, a little video about this. 24:12 It's not even showing. 24:19 All right, I'm gonna skip the video, I'll just send out a link to that. 24:20 But we've got a little video that actually shows 24:22 you our science fair, and shows you what it, 24:24 what it was like, and actually talks to some of the participants, so that you can 24:26 hear directly from them, you know, what it meant to them, and what it was like. 24:29 And I can't remember if the volcano's on there or not, but, at any rate. 24:34 Let's see. Let's come back to this. 24:38 So, I mention, you know, I, I work at Microsoft. 24:41 And Microsoft has a lot of things going on all the time. 24:44 Recently, we had a big product launch for the Xbox. 24:48 Those guys are kinda known for throwing parties, but you know, you 24:52 have to be on that team, to be part of the party. 24:57 Some guys, some of our quadcopter guys said they're doing fireworks. 25:00 Wouldn't it be cool, wouldn't it be cool if we could 25:04 actually film the fireworks at the Xbox party with a drone. 25:08 And they did. There it is. 25:12 They flew a drone up there and got video footage of it. 25:18 And, it was, it was just amazing. 25:21 And the thing was it came together so quickly. 25:24 It came together literally in a day. 25:26 They had the idea the day before the party because there was 25:30 a big company wide announcement that said, don't go over there, there's fireworks. 25:34 It didn't work. 25:38 But so we, we found them somebody who could actually 25:41 get them access the same day, and got them 25:43 permission to be inside of the danger zone, and 25:45 fly their quadcopter in there, and actually get some 25:48 very, very nice video of it with a GoPro. 25:50 Just fantastic, amazing. 25:53 I mean, this is what happens when you do stuff like this at work. 25:54 Amazing things can happen. 25:57 Amazing things, because you never know, you know, what you can put together. 25:59 But, so, 26:03 I guess what I really want you to know especially people 26:06 who are new at this, I was, I was like you guys. 26:08 I, you know, it wasn't that many years ago that I didn't, I also 26:11 thought that you know, I was going to burn myself with a soldering iron. 26:14 You know, I hadn't done any of this stuff. 26:17 I was a software guy and I slowly got into this but when 26:20 I started this Maker Garage, I had no idea how to do this. 26:24 I wasn't even trying to do it. 26:27 I was complaining because I wanted to get into the laser cutter, you 26:28 know? So you can do it, 26:32 but just get people together get a regular after work meeting going. 26:36 All you need is people. 26:40 That's all you need, and just a small place to get together. 26:41 Make people want to be there. 26:45 And, make sure that you recognize their accomplishments. 26:47 And, opportunities are going to come from that, and you'll 26:50 be able to seize them and grab them, you know? 26:53 I mean, that's, that's how we wound up with that 26:55 makers space was just, you know, we started doing, and opportunities 26:58 presented themselves out of that, and we're able to just take advantage of them 27:01 and grab them. So, thank you. 27:06 [SOUND]. 27:10
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