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So let's get it kicked off
with our first speaker.

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She is a dear colleague of mine.

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She works here at Treehouse as
a training program manager.

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In less fancy terms,
she's responsible for all things equity,

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diversity, and inclusion,
as well as 21st century development work.

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She is an inclusive warrior and
inclusion warrior,

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I like the color, and
just an overall outstanding person.

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Please welcome, Michelle Zohlman.

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>> Hello, hopefully,
y'all can see and hear me.

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I wanna make sure we're doing that.

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All right, how are y'all doing?

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Welcome to day four of
the Treehouse Festival.

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I am so excited to be here today to
talk to you about 21st century skills.

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We have such a small amount of time,
so I'm gonna try to squeeze as much

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information as possible out of these
25 minutes we have together today.

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So to start off,
as Toni said, I'm Michelle.

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I'm the training program
manager here at Treehouse.

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I'm responsible for equity, diversity,

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and inclusion,
as well as 21st century skills education.

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And basically, what that just means is
that I get to focus on these areas for

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employees at the company.

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But also, creating content for
users like you.

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I, personally,
don't like to call myself an expert but

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rather someone that likes to
learn on these topics nonstop.

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I think it's a privilege to talk to you
about it, and get to do it for a living.

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So with that, my pronouns are she/her.

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That just means that's how
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If you're new to pronouns,
no worries at all,

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we all are at different starting lines.

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I'm gonna do my shameless plug for
a moment, and

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in a few weeks I'll have a video,
Intro to Gender and Sexuality,

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coming out that's gonna focus also on
pronouns so you can learn about them.

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So be sure to check that out.

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Also, anyone that knows me
knows that I am a cat lady.

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So here's me living my best life
when my babies aren't going ace.

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Who knows?

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They may make a celebrity
appearance today, if we're lucky.

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They love the spotlight.

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Right now, they're swarming me
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So maybe they're a little shy right now.

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With that though,
I identify as a white woman.

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And that's important for
me doing the launch here,

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because I understand that
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privileges that I may overlook
when I'm talking about content.

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With that being said,
I'm a lifelong learner.

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So please, make use of that chat
that you have on your screen or

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the Slack channel to contribute
your perspective, your ideas,

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your experiences, so
we can all keep learning from one another.

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I'm excited to be chatting with y'all
really to be combining this essential

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education with tech because 21st century
skills tend to be missing from that.

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And so
let's get started to talk about that.

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So what are 21st century skills?

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Let's make sure that we're all on the same
page before we jump into some of them.

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21st century skills are also called soft
skills or 21st century career skills.

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They're all the same,
they all mean the same thing.

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Same but just different words.

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[LAUGH] And these skills are groupings
of skills that have been defined as

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important skill sets that employers
may look for in positions, or

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skills that they want you to
develop over time in your role.

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They're skills that will
help you in your career and

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even in your personal life with things,
with compromised communication, and so on.

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Keep in mind, though, it doesn't mean
you need to know all these skills.

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There are so many, and
they can be overwhelming.

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And you don't necessarily have to
be an expert in every single one.

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Some of these skills may be more essential
at different parts in your career.

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Similar to some of you here,
I am a newbie to tech.

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So some of the skills that I've used
in previous positions have transferred

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to my current role here at Treehouse,
such as public speaking as I'm doing that.

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But I'm working more on the tech side
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in the studio and
doing some of these Treehouse lives.

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So I'm learning some of those literacy
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bringing in that public speaking in tech.

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So we kinda go through different motions,
you may not stick with one skill forever.

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With that, 21st century skills are
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which are your learning skills,
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Your learning skills include
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creativity, collaboration, communication.

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And then, you have your literacy skills,
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media literacy, and technology literacy.

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Having literacy skills include knowing
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and knowing which tools to use
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This can be you going through
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learning how to fix bonds, or build apps.

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And then, we have life skills.

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And that encompasses your leadership,
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social skills in those subgroups.

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As you can see, there are many skills that
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and then they can branch out of it.

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And we could talk about these for
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But I encourage you, if you're interested
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about, let's just do some googling,
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break them down further, and
hear those different perspectives on them.

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Now, companies not only want you to
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they also want you to have 21st century
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It's a way for you to be competitive and
successful in your roles.

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And today, I'm gonna talk briefly about
some of those learning and life skills.

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Networking is one of those life skills
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a job, and while you're in the job.

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Networking allows you to make connections
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and gives you the chance to potentially
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mentor for you as you're navigating a new
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With that, networking has changed in
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21st century, right?

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But also now with COVID, it's going to
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But quite honestly, I think it's not
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It's gonna start to change a bit,
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Here's the thing about networking, though.

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We usually think of it
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It is not.

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As someone that considers themselves
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I'm pretty damn awkward,
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I can tell you that you can network
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It all just takes practice,
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Let's talk about some ways how.

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Making use of that LinkedIn.

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You don't need to be face to face at all,

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which is nice when we're still a bit
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I've reached out to people
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Just this week, I've connected with
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that I've never actually met.

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And that's just such a simple and
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But we can take it a step further.

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The thing is, that a lot of people just
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I'm guilty of it.

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I've done it before when I've been
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But we wanna make use of that space where
you can add a note, to write something.

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Almost every time I've written something
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they've responded to me.

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I'll write something to someone who I know
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share how I appreciate what
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something that I've seen them speak about,
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I aim to add a personal element,

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and stick out maybe in a sea of
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I've connected with folks who
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conferences that we're at now,
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And will write to them, thanking them for

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what they did at the conference
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maybe something specific I took
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By adding that note, it opens the door for
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just simply connect and
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All the while, not having the pressure
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Because that's when it can get a little
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Additionally, it makes it personal,
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So that's a simple way to kind of get
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But also, while we're in quarantine and
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different gatherings and meetups,
it's a simple way to start connecting.

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So let's talk some conferences or
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With COVID, conferences and

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these online gatherings have been
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You gotta take advantage of that.

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There's been conferences that I
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or maybe couldn't afford and be able
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And you wanna take advantage of that.

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Even if you're unsure about the content or
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level of content yet, it's still a chance
for you to hear and meet some people.

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I've been to a few so far that
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the schedule,
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This is a bit more in-person,
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I myself the first time I went into
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had that going on was like,
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I'm not ready to my camera ready,
I'm not ready for it, my goodness.

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But to prepare yourself this is where
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more an introduction.

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questions to ask them based on the amount
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I typically do a version of this of what
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With some trial and errors,

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I've learned to lean into my
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In addition in Sylvania, and so
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I want to show myself to
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who I am beyond my job title,
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That's what I found has worked for me.

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For example, I'll say, I am Michelle,
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I'm responsible for CDI at my company.

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I'm located in Portland, but

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I've moved around a bit from the northeast
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What about you?

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I use that as a conversation
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it'll go into a chat about travel.

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And it's something in a topic that I
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So it makes me less nervous and
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It is not scientific one bit, but the
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So my introduction was,
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then I pass it over to them.

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It will take some practice, but

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start playing around with what feels
comfortable and authentic for you.

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Don't let those hiccups in
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I've found what I'm not trying to fit
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this idea of what networking
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When I ignore that, and really just
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I've actually made more authentic
connections with the right people that

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have lasted than just that standard,
like, hi, how are you?

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Here's my business card sort of thing.

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I encourage you to practice this in
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another when you have those three
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an elevator pitch.

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All right, moving on to communication.

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When networking or in your role,

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communication is essential to relationship
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It's one of those learning skills
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The first thing we need to understand is
that communication isn't the same across

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all platforms.

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Which seems obvious, but
when we put it into action, and

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we're in the motions of life,
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We show differently in those spaces of
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We may even speak or

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write differently in those areas
whether we're aware of that or not.

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I know the way I email is usually
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messaging my team on slack.

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With email, you should always be aware
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you're emailing with.

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If it's someone you're doing business
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to try to be a bit more formal in
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With that, I'm not saying you
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maybe they don't know your humor for
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You might check your fully on
being sarcastic or making a joke.

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If they don't know you, and
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they may not hear your tone, or
your voice as they're reading it.

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Whereas, if I'm emailing
someone I've worked with a lot,

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and we've maybe been chatting all day.

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I'll joke to them, hi, so
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But because we know each other
that lands well, and they're

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maybe not thinking I'm being annoying or
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Now for video calls, this is where
you can be more conversational.

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someone to reply back.

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If you're comfortable have your screen on,
so people can see you.

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funny, you'll pick up on those

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cues that I'm joking around
where it may not come off and

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that my writing if you
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Videos also have so many unique
features for you to get to know others

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online with breakout rooms,
polls, backgrounds, and etc.

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So you can also use those to help keep
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feels a little bit stiff or
uncomfortable, it can be a helpful guide.

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With that in mind, take the time
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I will go off camera if I got
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just need a moment to gather myself.

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Well, I just really can't focus and
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because we all get screens to take right
and being online all day right now.

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These past few months,
I previously reported to Ryan,

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our CEO that you may have seen at
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when we started working together and
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I make sure we knew each other before
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and I have some self-deprecating humor.

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And I wanted to be mindful of
how my interaction is with Lam,

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as we got to know each other because
if I made myself deprecating joke,

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he may have been like, whoa,
where did that come from?

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I'll send him those things all the time,
but you wanna be mindful of that.

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Now, let's talk about those DMs.

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Usually your job will have some
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whether it's Google, Chat,
Slack, or some other platform.

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Of course, each company has their own
values and policies around conduct for

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those, but typically this is
where you can play a bit more.

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And depending on what I'm sending,
I'll add an emojis and gifts

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to accompany that my message to maybe
bring some life to that message a bit.

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Overall, you want to spend time to
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This will help you understand how
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and how you might need to
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This isn't to censor you, but to find
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interact effectively.

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Also, you'll hear me constantly say,
do what makes you feel comfortable and

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be as authentic as you can.

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I'm a broken record on that.

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There's a difference between changing
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you can feel comfortable and effective
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changing communication because
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Let's check some resumes now.

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I've seen some of you asking
questions about them.

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And I know we also have a chat
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So, be sure to join that
to get folks feedback.

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But we don't have enough time to
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today.

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I want to give some quick tips so that
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So when you're searching for a job,

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you need a polished resume to
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We know that, as you network and have
those strong communication with folks,

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you might hear about those jobs and
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Maybe you're actively looking,
maybe you're not.

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But, you never know when something
might become available that piques your

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interest.

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That is why you should always be updating
your resume whether you're searching for

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a job or not.

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And I get it, that can feel tedious.

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I have a job, and
now I gotta update my resume too.

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I did my resume, so I could get the job.

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I promise you, it's worth it.

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I promise it's worth taking that extra
time even if you're thinking you're going

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to stay in your job for years and years.

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When it comes time for applying for a new
role again, you're going to be sitting in

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front of your computer trying to remember
all the amazing work you did in that year,

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two, five years, whatever it was in that
role that you're getting ready to leave.

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I promise that if you
didn't keep it updated,

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you're going to forget some of that work.

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And that has happened to me,
I've learned the hard way.

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So, I want to help you not
learn the hard way, too.

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So, what you can do is just
quickly jot down on your resume,

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what you did or what you've been doing.

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It doesn't have to be perfectly set so
you can remember when you come back to it.

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I try to update my resume
every few months, I'm guilty,

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sometimes I forget about it.

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But, so next time I do update my resume
though, I may just quickly go on, okay,

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what am I've been working on?

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I have my Treehouse video on gender and
sexuality, okay, I write gender and

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sexuality video, as part of my list.

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And then, maybe I'll also write
presented at Treehouse Festival.

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That's it, just simple into the point,
that's not for

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my final resume that's so
when I come back to it.

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When I do decide to apply for a job,
instead of racking my brain trying

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to remember everything I've
done my time at Treehouse,

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I can I will spend my energy in making
the description itself stronger.

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Instead of sitting there and
getting stressed out about,

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I can't remember what I did,
I can focus my energy elsewhere.

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Now, let's talk about what it should look
like when you're going back to what you

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jotted down where you need to
rewrite some of those descriptions.

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Looking at your description
under each position,

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you'll want to remove any job duties as
well replace them with accomplishments.

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These are much more powerful.

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Recruiters and
hiring managers tend to know what your job

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duties are based on your
title a majority of the time.

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So listing them out can be
a real waste of real estate.

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You're not adding any value by
stating the obvious on your resume.

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We want to show them what you did, we
don't want to show them, sorry for that.

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We don't want to show them what you did,
but instead, what you do or

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didn't well in that position.

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I've been up saying something about
your job title that seems obvious,

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isn't really telling them about you
in the 21st century skills you have.

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So let's talk about what
that accomplishment is.

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Anytime you made, save, or achieve
something, maybe more money was made.

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Or you saved time or effort by creating
a new policy, creating a new system.

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Maybe you exceeded a goal that was set for
the company or for your team.

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Maybe you created something,
you created a new app you created,

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a new group at your company,
whatever it is, and so on.

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Grant talked about this a bit
yesterday how he showed collaboration,

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time management, and
communication through his non tech jobs.

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And that's essentially how you
can take those previous roles you

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may have had in not in tech and
transfer them.

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To show like, hey,
I may not have been in tech but

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all these skills I have can be
applied to tech real easily.

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Remember, I said that I didn't come
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So when I came working for Treehouse,
I had to really sit down and

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intentionally think about what skills
am I bringing from my previous

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jobs that can be applied and
showcase that.

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Lastly, I cannot emphasize this enough,

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but I want you to think of your
resume as a piece of real estate.

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When you choose to put something on there,
think about how valuable it is.

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Listing every single thing you've
done in your job may not be a good

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use of that real estate,
a page fills up quickly as you make edits.

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Think about if it's something
that will sell you or

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if it's something that you can share later
on or expand on your LinkedIn profile.

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This is tricky to do ourselves and
really does take practice.

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I still have to go back and
get in the zone and

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take breaks from looking at my resumes and
also getting other folks input.

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There's so
much work we can do with resumes, so

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hopefully these tips can get you started.

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So with that, I want y'all to feel
free to add me on LinkedIn and

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put that into practice of adding that
note with me or other speakers and so on.

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But it's really just getting ourselves
comfortable with a new norm.

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I think I have a few minutes so I'm
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see if there's the questions that
the lovely Kaylee is sending me.

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All right, so we have, how do you start
the conversation when you're breaking into

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tech was an untraditional background and
no degree?

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So, start just talking to people why are
you interested in working at that company?

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And share those interests, and saying hey,
I'm thinking about getting into this

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field and saw that you've been
working in it for so long.

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I think a lot of the times we tend
to overthink our interactions of it

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because we want it to be so perfect.

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And I can't stress enough
sometimes just being authentic and

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not trying to butter
someone off necessarily.

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But to just say like, hey, I'm trying
to learn about this and I'm new to it.

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Can I talk with you and share some tips?

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Maybe they don't have time to meet,

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ask if you can just send over
some questions and so on.

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And just starting out that conversation
with people and just keeping in contact

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with them saying like, hey,
I'm trying to make the transition to that.

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Can you give me any advice?

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Would you mind taking a look
at my resume and so on?

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And then just by starting to have
connections with people on those LinkedIn,

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even if you're maybe you're
not talking to them regularly,

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you've not connected with them, and
they're probably sharing job postings.

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And when they're sharing those,,
you can comment on them,

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you can maybe message them for
more questions and so on.

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It's really just getting your foot in
the door for those first conversations.

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All right, I'll take one more.

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How do you handle rejections?

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Or have you commonly let
the person know that you're no

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longer interested in
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[LAUGH] Well, let me first say,

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I actually didn't get my first
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So, I have experienced
rejection firsthand.

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And honestly, I was super bummed
clearly cuz I kept trying to work here.

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But with that, with handling rejections,
if you still want to work there,

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thank them.

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And ask if you can still stay
connected and say, hey, if there's

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anything else that ever pops up,
please keep me in mind, I love working.

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I would love to work here.

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Just going through the interview
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work here even more.

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And then also if you don't get it,
you can also ask for feedback and

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ask if they can share that.

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To be quite honest, some with HR policies
can't always share all those that

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information, but you can always ask for
any feedback or to keep you in mind.

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Now, if you are no longer interested
in talking with them further,

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you can only say something along the lines
of saying, I so appreciate getting to know

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your company or getting to know you, but
at this time, I'm not seeing us as a fit.

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And I'm gonna probably focus my efforts
a little bit differently, but thank you so

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much for taking the time.

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I wanna make sure that you
find the right applicant.

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And that may not just
be me at the time and

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I don't want you to spend
your efforts on me.

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But it's kind of showing them like, hey,
I care about your time as well too.

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In different iterations of that can work.

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So we're out of time here, but
I wanna say thank you so much for

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taking the time to chat with me.

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I'm gonna try and
pop into the chats later.

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I'll try to answer some
things on LinkedIn if I can.

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But also, I wanna just say if you wanna be
added to our talent pipeline, start and

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start that networking by emailing us and

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you can be added to our
talent pipeline of Treehouse.

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And I'll have one of our colleagues
drop down this email in there.

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It's hr@teamtreehouse.com.

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And thank you all so much.

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I'll talk to y'all soon.