1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,129 [MUSIC] 2 00:00:04,129 --> 00:00:09,448 Hey everyone, I'm Gil, one of the instructors at Treehouse, 3 00:00:09,448 --> 00:00:13,878 and I am super delighted to talk to this ask me anything 4 00:00:13,878 --> 00:00:19,380 session with Treehouse founder and CEO, Ryan Carson. 5 00:00:19,380 --> 00:00:23,830 So, Ryan is a leader and champion of self directed learning, 6 00:00:23,830 --> 00:00:28,520 inspiring others to take the helm of their own education. 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,350 He's also an advocate for equity, diversity, and 8 00:00:31,350 --> 00:00:33,800 inclusion within the tech industry. 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,561 Specializing in helping companies like Verizon, Niantic, Nike, Adobe, 10 00:00:38,561 --> 00:00:43,689 MailChimp and more invest in their local communities, building diverse teams and 11 00:00:43,689 --> 00:00:48,590 creating generational wealth for families who've been locked out of tech. 12 00:00:48,590 --> 00:00:52,804 Before Treehouse, Ryan founded Personified and DropSend. 13 00:00:52,804 --> 00:00:57,630 He's also been featured in Fast Company, Harvard Business Review, 14 00:00:57,630 --> 00:01:01,090 The Wall Street Journal, Inc.com and EdSurge. 15 00:01:01,090 --> 00:01:04,210 Ryan was voted Entrepreneur of the Year by UI and 16 00:01:04,210 --> 00:01:09,820 has been interviewed on many high profile shows such as Bloomberg Technology. 17 00:01:09,820 --> 00:01:13,306 Bloomberg's Game Plan, This Week In Startups, 18 00:01:13,306 --> 00:01:18,570 GrowthLab Live with Ramit Sethi, Chase Jarvis live show and more. 19 00:01:18,570 --> 00:01:23,411 Brian has also been a speaker at South by Southwest, Grace Hopper Celebration, 20 00:01:23,411 --> 00:01:24,830 Tech Inclusion. 21 00:01:24,830 --> 00:01:30,720 Collision Las Vegas, and New Orleans, 99 U, NYC and Zaster Annual. 22 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,368 All right friends, so 23 00:01:32,368 --> 00:01:37,350 now is your chance to ask Ryan questions about whatever you want. 24 00:01:37,350 --> 00:01:39,150 So, please place your questions in the chat and 25 00:01:39,150 --> 00:01:40,608 he'll do his best to get to each one. 26 00:01:40,608 --> 00:01:41,467 So. 27 00:01:41,467 --> 00:01:43,182 >> Thank you. >> Without further ado, 28 00:01:43,182 --> 00:01:45,990 please join me in welcoming Ryan Carson. 29 00:01:45,990 --> 00:01:47,310 >> Thanks Gil I appreciate it. 30 00:01:47,310 --> 00:01:48,160 You're a star. 31 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:53,200 All right, great to see you all. 32 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,772 I actually have reverse kind of fandom whenever Gil appears on my screen 33 00:01:57,772 --> 00:02:02,511 because I've taken so many courses from him at Treehouse over the years. 34 00:02:02,511 --> 00:02:05,240 So, thanks so much for showing up. 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,500 It's gonna be a fun session where you can ask me anything. 36 00:02:09,500 --> 00:02:13,830 I can see you are all coming in to the chat area. 37 00:02:13,830 --> 00:02:18,020 So, pop your questions in there, and I will take them as they come in. 38 00:02:18,020 --> 00:02:24,120 I'm working from home, as probably many of you are as well. 39 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,684 So, you'll probably hear either my dogs barking, 40 00:02:27,684 --> 00:02:32,800 my kids may come in any moment, or they're cleaning the streets outside. 41 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,595 So, it's all happening right now. 42 00:02:34,595 --> 00:02:38,350 [LAUGH] So, thanks so much for joining, I appreciate it. 43 00:02:38,350 --> 00:02:41,030 I'm seeing a couple questions come in. 44 00:02:41,030 --> 00:02:42,220 Dave Pierce. 45 00:02:42,220 --> 00:02:45,030 Says, Ryan, what is your Why? 46 00:02:45,030 --> 00:02:46,060 What gets you motivated? 47 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:56,210 So, the whole reason I started Treehouse is related to my wife. 48 00:02:56,210 --> 00:02:59,726 So, I grew up in Colorado Springs, Colorado. 49 00:02:59,726 --> 00:03:06,275 And was raised by a wonderful family, had a loving household. 50 00:03:06,275 --> 00:03:10,939 And I was very lucky to have a apple to eat and 51 00:03:10,939 --> 00:03:14,955 my living room when I was growing up, 52 00:03:14,955 --> 00:03:20,269 which was one of Apple's early home computers, 53 00:03:20,269 --> 00:03:24,545 and started playing games like Zork and 54 00:03:24,545 --> 00:03:28,714 playing all sorts of computer games. 55 00:03:28,714 --> 00:03:32,770 And just really realized I loved it and it was fun. 56 00:03:32,770 --> 00:03:37,533 And then, I was extremely lucky to have a high school teacher named 57 00:03:37,533 --> 00:03:40,254 Miss Bruce who was teaching me math and 58 00:03:40,254 --> 00:03:44,932 one day we were walking down the hallway and she pulled me aside and 59 00:03:44,932 --> 00:03:49,620 said hey do you want to take our computer programming course? 60 00:03:49,620 --> 00:03:52,086 And I said, well what's Computer Programming? 61 00:03:52,086 --> 00:03:58,860 [LAUGH] And she said, it's where you tell a computer what to do, and it does it. 62 00:03:58,860 --> 00:04:00,950 And my mind just exploded. 63 00:04:00,950 --> 00:04:02,990 And I thought that sounds like so much fun. 64 00:04:02,990 --> 00:04:07,380 So, I took my first computer programming class in high school. 65 00:04:07,380 --> 00:04:10,280 It was turbo Pascal and I just loved it. 66 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:11,030 It was a blast. 67 00:04:11,030 --> 00:04:14,543 And then, that's really where my world opened up and 68 00:04:14,543 --> 00:04:19,240 then I went on to study computer science in college and then graduated. 69 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:26,769 The whole time I didn't understand how privileged I was. 70 00:04:26,769 --> 00:04:31,823 I thought it was normal, and to have these experiences, and 71 00:04:31,823 --> 00:04:38,490 to have this kind of access and and I just didn't understand how lucky I was. 72 00:04:38,490 --> 00:04:42,670 And so, went on to get a job as a developer. 73 00:04:42,670 --> 00:04:45,564 And I think when I got the job as developer, 74 00:04:45,564 --> 00:04:51,274 I was going through the interview process and the guy that was interviewing me said, 75 00:04:51,274 --> 00:04:54,685 well, have you ever coded in ColdFusion before? 76 00:04:54,685 --> 00:04:56,775 And I said, no I don't know what that is. 77 00:04:56,775 --> 00:05:00,575 They said, it's a scripting language we use here. 78 00:05:00,575 --> 00:05:04,305 And he said, don't worry, you can read a book and you can learn it. 79 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:09,810 And I felt like the world stopped in that moment. 80 00:05:09,810 --> 00:05:11,790 And I thought, what? 81 00:05:11,790 --> 00:05:17,956 I thought my computer science degree and all of my knowledge of C++ and 82 00:05:17,956 --> 00:05:24,010 my understanding of computer science was what was important. 83 00:05:24,010 --> 00:05:26,109 But it turns out it was not, 84 00:05:26,109 --> 00:05:32,200 it was this piece of paper I had that said computer science graduate. 85 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,630 And I thought this is wrong. 86 00:05:34,630 --> 00:05:35,780 This isn't right. 87 00:05:35,780 --> 00:05:38,150 This isn't the way the world should work. 88 00:05:38,150 --> 00:05:43,050 And it's not fair that I'm getting this job because I had all of this privilege. 89 00:05:43,050 --> 00:05:44,270 I had a computer in my home. 90 00:05:44,270 --> 00:05:46,810 I had a computer science teacher in high school. 91 00:05:48,130 --> 00:05:52,160 I got a degree, and I thought I wanna change that. 92 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,962 And so, essentially started Treehouse over a decade ago to try to 93 00:05:56,962 --> 00:06:01,850 increase access so that more people can get high paying jobs in tech 94 00:06:01,850 --> 00:06:05,500 without having to go the traditional route. 95 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:07,370 And so, that's my why. 96 00:06:08,430 --> 00:06:10,070 That's why I love Treehouse so much. 97 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:13,810 That's why I jump out of bed everyday. 98 00:06:13,810 --> 00:06:15,300 And I love what we do. 99 00:06:16,550 --> 00:06:21,413 The reason why I'm wearing a Black Lives Matter t-shirt is because I've 100 00:06:21,413 --> 00:06:25,030 come to understand that we have systematic barriers. 101 00:06:26,230 --> 00:06:27,950 And they exist everywhere. 102 00:06:27,950 --> 00:06:31,543 And if you don't happen to be a white male every day, 103 00:06:31,543 --> 00:06:36,528 you're gonna have to be crawling over these massive barriers just to get 104 00:06:36,528 --> 00:06:40,640 to the same starting line that I walked up to. 105 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,950 So, I think that is something that we care deeply about. 106 00:06:43,950 --> 00:06:47,808 That's our whole mission at Treehouse is to diversify tech and 107 00:06:47,808 --> 00:06:51,460 make education accessible and affordable and effective. 108 00:06:51,460 --> 00:06:54,500 So, I'm extremely passionate about it. 109 00:06:54,500 --> 00:07:00,690 And I'm fortunate to have an amazing team to help us move that mission forward. 110 00:07:00,690 --> 00:07:02,050 So, good question. 111 00:07:02,050 --> 00:07:04,760 Thanks, Dave, for that, I appreciate that. 112 00:07:05,770 --> 00:07:11,510 Christine, why did you want to create Treehouse, pretty much the same answer. 113 00:07:11,510 --> 00:07:16,192 We really wanted to give a computer science world class 114 00:07:16,192 --> 00:07:20,450 education to as many people as possible. 115 00:07:20,450 --> 00:07:22,970 Make it fun, make it affordable, make it effective. 116 00:07:24,490 --> 00:07:27,050 And that's why we come to work every day. 117 00:07:27,050 --> 00:07:31,892 The reason why I have these awesome graduates on my wall 118 00:07:31,892 --> 00:07:34,319 is really they're my why. 119 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:36,890 Kyle was a speaker yesterday. 120 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,490 He now is a software engineer level two at MailChimp. 121 00:07:41,490 --> 00:07:46,070 Our students and our graduates are so inspiring to me. 122 00:07:46,070 --> 00:07:50,582 You all do the hard work every day to overcome barriers and 123 00:07:50,582 --> 00:07:54,140 get jobs and you all are so inspiring. 124 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:55,070 It's awesome. 125 00:07:55,070 --> 00:07:58,150 There's also another student here, I don't know if he's watching or not. 126 00:07:58,150 --> 00:07:59,489 His name is Emmett. 127 00:07:59,489 --> 00:08:02,520 He's been a huge inspiration to me as well. 128 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:08,010 He is self-taught, he's worked through huge barriers and overcome a lot. 129 00:08:08,010 --> 00:08:10,910 And then, he got his first paid contract gig. 130 00:08:10,910 --> 00:08:13,858 So, I mean, if you're watching, I'm proud of you man. 131 00:08:13,858 --> 00:08:16,973 I think I'm going to check Slack over here just in case, 132 00:08:16,973 --> 00:08:19,590 cause I think Elizabeth Is talking to me? 133 00:08:19,590 --> 00:08:22,450 Yes, she's got questions as well, cool. 134 00:08:22,450 --> 00:08:25,930 Liz, I'll look at your questions, just I don't have to watch the chat as much. 135 00:08:25,930 --> 00:08:29,803 So, Liz, you have two question, which I'll answer which is, 136 00:08:29,803 --> 00:08:32,400 how has Treehouse changed over the years? 137 00:08:34,060 --> 00:08:35,910 Treehouse has changed a lot. 138 00:08:35,910 --> 00:08:39,850 Wow, over ten years. 139 00:08:39,850 --> 00:08:44,729 I think the largest change has been our clarifying and 140 00:08:44,729 --> 00:08:48,858 focusing our mission on diversifying tech. 141 00:08:48,858 --> 00:08:56,260 Honestly, the company, I didn't understand as much as I do now. 142 00:08:56,260 --> 00:09:00,499 The systematic barriers that people encounter when 143 00:09:00,499 --> 00:09:05,227 they're not white men, cisgendered, able bodied men. 144 00:09:05,227 --> 00:09:08,086 And now, I understand a lot of that more, 145 00:09:08,086 --> 00:09:12,845 something has become more good at diversifying tech specifically. 146 00:09:14,075 --> 00:09:15,115 So, that's changed a lot. 147 00:09:15,115 --> 00:09:18,745 I think, I've grown a lot as a manager. 148 00:09:19,745 --> 00:09:23,556 No one teaches you how to be a good manager I've learned, and 149 00:09:23,556 --> 00:09:27,085 actually managing people effectively is really hard. 150 00:09:27,085 --> 00:09:28,865 And so, I've learned a lot about that. 151 00:09:30,115 --> 00:09:34,559 If any of you are managers of people or even parents, 152 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:39,407 I would say a really good book that has had a massive effect 153 00:09:39,407 --> 00:09:43,753 on me is called Speed of Trust, by Franklin Covey. 154 00:09:43,753 --> 00:09:48,159 And it just explains how to build trust with people, and 155 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:54,170 I struggled for a lot with how do you delegate things and trust people? 156 00:09:54,170 --> 00:09:57,469 And I feel like, thankfully, I've learned a lot on that. 157 00:09:57,469 --> 00:09:58,550 I have an amazing team. 158 00:09:58,550 --> 00:10:04,240 So my life is a lot easier because I have such a great team as well. 159 00:10:06,030 --> 00:10:09,705 More questions, let's see, looking at Slack over here, 160 00:10:09,705 --> 00:10:11,475 I've got you all over here. 161 00:10:11,475 --> 00:10:13,987 Let's see, okay, from Christine, 162 00:10:13,987 --> 00:10:19,098 what was your biggest barrier as an entrepreneur and how did you overcome it? 163 00:10:19,098 --> 00:10:25,397 I would say, My biggest barrier is imposter syndrome. 164 00:10:25,397 --> 00:10:30,339 So, I'm not 165 00:10:30,339 --> 00:10:35,101 like a lot of entrepreneurs that you see on 166 00:10:35,101 --> 00:10:39,864 TV shows where they're really salesy and 167 00:10:39,864 --> 00:10:43,823 they're really good at selling. 168 00:10:43,823 --> 00:10:48,410 And they're really good at talking about how amazing their company is. 169 00:10:48,410 --> 00:10:54,520 I think, I don't know, it was drilled into me as a kid to be humble, 170 00:10:54,520 --> 00:11:00,313 to not say things that weren't true to not Promise big things and 171 00:11:00,313 --> 00:11:02,473 not be able to deliver. 172 00:11:02,473 --> 00:11:05,266 And I always struggle with that, 173 00:11:05,266 --> 00:11:10,454 I felt like a lot of other entrepreneurs really good at talking 174 00:11:10,454 --> 00:11:15,470 their companies out than, and I've struggled with that. 175 00:11:15,470 --> 00:11:19,682 And I've kind of figured out how to do that and tell the truth, 176 00:11:19,682 --> 00:11:25,640 you can talk about all the amazing things you're going to do and tell the truth. 177 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,038 And that's an important skills that I've learned, but 178 00:11:29,038 --> 00:11:31,034 I think that's been hard for me. 179 00:11:31,034 --> 00:11:34,862 I'm not wildly driven by finances and 180 00:11:34,862 --> 00:11:39,885 dollar success, which is my barrier sometimes, 181 00:11:39,885 --> 00:11:47,179 I think a lot of entrepreneurs seem to just be wildly focused on profit and 182 00:11:47,179 --> 00:11:52,030 I don't know why I just struggle with that. 183 00:11:52,030 --> 00:11:54,640 And that may sound like a nice thing. 184 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,431 Well, that's good that you can do that, but sometimes in business you have to 185 00:11:59,431 --> 00:12:03,788 focus on dollars and cents and you have to really know your numbers, and 186 00:12:03,788 --> 00:12:07,340 I think for a long time that was hard for me. 187 00:12:07,340 --> 00:12:11,448 I've learned a lot of skills, I used to feel uncomfortable with numbers. 188 00:12:11,448 --> 00:12:15,499 People would say numbers, numbers, numbers, and 189 00:12:15,499 --> 00:12:21,299 I just had I struggled with keeping them on my head and understanding them, 190 00:12:21,299 --> 00:12:25,700 and over time I've just kind of drilled it into myself. 191 00:12:25,700 --> 00:12:27,300 Okay, which numbers are important? 192 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:28,530 How do I know those numbers? 193 00:12:29,980 --> 00:12:33,839 And I feel like I've finally gotten better at that and 194 00:12:33,839 --> 00:12:39,001 I feel comfortable with that, but I struggle with that for a long time. 195 00:12:39,001 --> 00:12:42,079 So yeah, imposter syndrome, biggest barrier. 196 00:12:42,079 --> 00:12:46,852 I'm still battling every day, it's a great question, thanks for 197 00:12:46,852 --> 00:12:51,640 asking them and thanks for hanging out with me, it's a real honor. 198 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:56,700 From Michaela, are there going to be other tech degrees like back end and full stack? 199 00:12:56,700 --> 00:13:01,370 Like I said, I'm a proud front end web development tech degree student. 200 00:13:01,370 --> 00:13:04,603 And I would love to stay and continue my journey with you all amazing, 201 00:13:04,603 --> 00:13:05,960 lovely people on, thanks. 202 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:06,940 We hope you stay too. 203 00:13:08,020 --> 00:13:13,370 We are gonna launch a data analytics factory which I'm really excited about. 204 00:13:13,370 --> 00:13:17,093 I think everybody should understand how to analyze data, so 205 00:13:17,093 --> 00:13:19,140 I'm really excited about that. 206 00:13:19,140 --> 00:13:23,017 And then we have other really exciting things that we're gonna be doing with tech 207 00:13:23,017 --> 00:13:24,170 degree in the new year. 208 00:13:25,310 --> 00:13:28,155 I've promoted an amazing person to be the chief learning and 209 00:13:28,155 --> 00:13:29,845 operations officer of Treehouse. 210 00:13:29,845 --> 00:13:33,345 Her name is Dr. Toni you probably have met her. 211 00:13:33,345 --> 00:13:36,848 She MC's this festival, she's awesome. 212 00:13:36,848 --> 00:13:41,540 And she is really taking the reins and is gonna take Treehouse to even 213 00:13:41,540 --> 00:13:46,315 more exciting levels and she's gonna be launching with the team some 214 00:13:46,315 --> 00:13:51,610 really exciting stuff and New Year which you should keep a watch on. 215 00:13:51,610 --> 00:13:55,390 So thanks Michaela for that question, appreciate it. 216 00:13:55,390 --> 00:14:00,005 From Donna, what have you heard about the incoming Biden's administration 217 00:14:00,005 --> 00:14:02,265 focused on upskilling? 218 00:14:02,265 --> 00:14:06,175 What do you see as the role of government and upskilling the USA workforce? 219 00:14:06,175 --> 00:14:11,583 I don't know the specifics of President-elect Biden and 220 00:14:11,583 --> 00:14:16,375 and Vice President Harris's plans on that. 221 00:14:16,375 --> 00:14:21,045 However, I know there's a lot of exciting things happening with upskilling. 222 00:14:22,455 --> 00:14:29,036 I think we're seeing the permanent shift from a college degree, 223 00:14:29,036 --> 00:14:32,865 a computer science degree let me say, 224 00:14:32,865 --> 00:14:36,830 being the chosen path into tech to now. 225 00:14:38,130 --> 00:14:42,162 It being truly accepted that you can go through boot camp you can 226 00:14:42,162 --> 00:14:44,825 go through a tech degree at treehouse, or 227 00:14:44,825 --> 00:14:48,800 one of the other companies offering certificates and get in. 228 00:14:50,460 --> 00:14:55,659 It's not better than college or worse than college, just a different path, right? 229 00:14:55,659 --> 00:14:59,630 And I think we're starting to see that path be widely accepted. 230 00:14:59,630 --> 00:15:03,986 You've heard that from a bunch of students who have now have gotten jobs at this 231 00:15:03,986 --> 00:15:04,650 festival. 232 00:15:06,410 --> 00:15:09,810 Amazon is tripling down on its upskilling efforts. 233 00:15:09,810 --> 00:15:16,700 You've seen, they just announced a large initiative, I think couple days ago. 234 00:15:16,700 --> 00:15:20,176 So I'm very excited about upskilling, 235 00:15:20,176 --> 00:15:24,676 I think the pandemic has been terrible and brutal but 236 00:15:24,676 --> 00:15:30,403 the one of the silver linings to all the clouds is that self learners 237 00:15:30,403 --> 00:15:35,944 learning online has been really skyrocketed to the forefront. 238 00:15:35,944 --> 00:15:41,459 That people understand that you can learn online effectively, 239 00:15:41,459 --> 00:15:47,720 you can learn from home effectively, you can do all those things. 240 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,110 So that's the one silver lining I think that we're gonna see from the pandemic. 241 00:15:52,110 --> 00:15:57,245 And I think, Biden and Harris are gonna support that even more, 242 00:15:57,245 --> 00:16:01,140 so we're really excited about that. 243 00:16:01,140 --> 00:16:03,744 We also have some big things in the works that treehouse, 244 00:16:03,744 --> 00:16:06,960 I'm excited that Tony's gonna be announcing in the new year as well. 245 00:16:08,390 --> 00:16:13,180 Really excited about upskilling, absolutely, good question. 246 00:16:13,180 --> 00:16:20,710 From Patrick speaking of imposter syndrome Ryan, which career or field of industry? 247 00:16:22,110 --> 00:16:28,170 Of career transition since tech is affected the most by Imposter Syndrome? 248 00:16:28,170 --> 00:16:33,085 Gosh, I think imposter syndrome affects everybody, everywhere all the time, 249 00:16:33,085 --> 00:16:33,960 in every job. 250 00:16:35,630 --> 00:16:41,534 I think tech is intimidating, when you see code t's 251 00:16:41,534 --> 00:16:47,770 as intimidating as looking at a foreign language. 252 00:16:47,770 --> 00:16:53,047 And then you know, there's a there's a culture which we're working on breaking 253 00:16:53,047 --> 00:16:57,788 down and tack of kind of the bro culture as well which can be intimidating, 254 00:16:57,788 --> 00:17:02,780 where people are using advanced terms and, you know all sorts of technical. 255 00:17:04,310 --> 00:17:06,000 items that you just don't understand. 256 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,940 So, but I can tell you though, you can learn those things. 257 00:17:10,940 --> 00:17:14,200 You know, it's really fun to see Cassidy speak just now. 258 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,830 And Rhea speak before her, you know They're women. 259 00:17:18,830 --> 00:17:20,980 They understand the tech. 260 00:17:20,980 --> 00:17:22,270 They can speak the tech. 261 00:17:22,270 --> 00:17:25,090 They can hold their own just like anybody else. 262 00:17:25,090 --> 00:17:30,235 And I think that their shining example of how everybody can 263 00:17:30,235 --> 00:17:35,210 get in if you work hard, and these paths are open to you. 264 00:17:35,210 --> 00:17:38,240 So I think imposter syndrome is real for everybody. 265 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,488 And the most important thing to remember is everybody has it and 266 00:17:43,488 --> 00:17:47,750 if they're not being honest about it they're lying to you. 267 00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:51,122 So just remember that everybody has imposter syndrome and 268 00:17:51,122 --> 00:17:55,260 the more you talk about it, the more other people can talk about it too. 269 00:17:56,860 --> 00:18:01,840 Love these questions, appreciate you all asking them. 270 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:07,930 Let's keep going comment from Jason, you were the reason I started coding. 271 00:18:07,930 --> 00:18:10,703 Hey, [LAUGH] You talk to them in a candid and 272 00:18:10,703 --> 00:18:14,280 genuine way that shows you cared about the struggle. 273 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,260 Thank you, Jason. 274 00:18:15,260 --> 00:18:17,070 That means the world to me. 275 00:18:17,070 --> 00:18:19,950 I'm honored that I was a part of your journey. 276 00:18:21,530 --> 00:18:22,870 I do wanna encourage you all. 277 00:18:24,450 --> 00:18:26,608 If you're thinking about learning how to code, or 278 00:18:26,608 --> 00:18:29,730 if you're thinking about getting the tech just just take the first step. 279 00:18:32,730 --> 00:18:34,350 Treehouse is free for seven days. 280 00:18:34,350 --> 00:18:37,010 Just sign up and take a course. 281 00:18:38,060 --> 00:18:40,490 And just get started and see if you like it. 282 00:18:40,490 --> 00:18:44,700 And I think if you like it, you'll find that it's really fun. 283 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:49,614 It's like solving puzzles and and it's not advanced math and it's not, 284 00:18:49,614 --> 00:18:52,090 calculus and it's not any of that. 285 00:18:52,090 --> 00:18:54,220 It's actually more like writing screenplays. 286 00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:59,330 And it's just super creative and fun. 287 00:19:00,670 --> 00:19:04,950 So but thanks, Jason, for saying that, it's very kind of you. 288 00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:07,260 Liz, I love your questions, Liz. 289 00:19:07,260 --> 00:19:12,120 What advise do you have for those concern about scarcity of jobs? 290 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:14,023 Is that scarcity based on fact or 291 00:19:14,023 --> 00:19:17,200 is there really an abundance of jobs in the industry? 292 00:19:18,510 --> 00:19:21,858 There are so many jobs in tech and 293 00:19:21,858 --> 00:19:26,330 it's just going to grow and grow and grow. 294 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:32,319 I mean, what we're seeing during the pandemic with the stock 295 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:37,508 market where we're seeing the values of tech companies explode, 296 00:19:37,508 --> 00:19:41,600 is because It's 100% real where we're going. 297 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,600 What's happening is, tech is eating the world, every industry. 298 00:19:46,890 --> 00:19:54,443 Every job is is now supported and And is run by tech. 299 00:19:54,443 --> 00:19:58,084 And so if you understand tech, and you understand how to control it, and 300 00:19:58,084 --> 00:20:02,160 you understand how to build things with it, it opens up so many more jobs for you. 301 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:07,122 And then on top of that think about all the tackages and jobs, 302 00:20:07,122 --> 00:20:13,250 you have data analysis, is a massive one, marketing now is a tech job. 303 00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:16,515 And I think the more you understand tech and how to use it, 304 00:20:16,515 --> 00:20:20,799 the more powerful you get, don't forget that there's a lot of low code and 305 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:24,190 no code solutions now, Zapier is an awesome one. 306 00:20:24,190 --> 00:20:28,591 You can use tools like Coda, there's so many low code and 307 00:20:28,591 --> 00:20:32,075 no code tools that you can get started with and 308 00:20:32,075 --> 00:20:38,170 you can use to automate tasks and jobs that make you more powerful. 309 00:20:38,170 --> 00:20:43,490 So there are so many jobs that need to get filled. 310 00:20:43,490 --> 00:20:47,313 And there's a massive need for junior engineers. 311 00:20:47,313 --> 00:20:51,553 The computer science universities are just not creating 312 00:20:51,553 --> 00:20:54,920 enough computer scientists, period. 313 00:20:54,920 --> 00:21:00,840 So please keep learning how to code. 314 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,859 The reason why I care about empowering people to get tech jobs is actually 315 00:21:05,859 --> 00:21:10,480 not related to tech, it's the fact that the pay is so high in tech. 316 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,740 I care about empowering people to build generational wealth. 317 00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:19,046 One of the systematic barriers we have, is because folks like me have 318 00:21:19,046 --> 00:21:24,078 been able to build up generational wealth over the generations so 319 00:21:24,078 --> 00:21:28,070 we can take more risks, we can do more things. 320 00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:31,550 When you don't have generational wealth, you can't get started, right? 321 00:21:31,550 --> 00:21:37,093 So getting a job that pays you well, that allows you to invest in your 401k and 322 00:21:37,093 --> 00:21:40,157 start to build that generational wealth for 323 00:21:40,157 --> 00:21:44,160 your kids is one of the ways that system starts to change. 324 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,070 So I just wanted to point that out. 325 00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:53,864 These are great questions keep them coming in, I can see Cassidy just telling us hey, 326 00:21:53,864 --> 00:21:58,340 Cassidy I'm a big fan of yours I really enjoyed Stalk, thanks for stopping by. 327 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,064 Okay, more good questions from Dave, how do you feel about automation, AI, 328 00:22:04,064 --> 00:22:06,350 and the increase, decrease of jobs as a result? 329 00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:12,969 I think we are a long way away from AI taking your job. 330 00:22:12,969 --> 00:22:18,135 If you're a driver that's different, I think we are quickly approaching 331 00:22:18,135 --> 00:22:22,840 autonomous vehicles and that is a big deal for a lot of people. 332 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,209 But I think if you are our tech adjacent or in tech, 333 00:22:26,209 --> 00:22:30,410 I think it's gonna be a long time till AI takes your job. 334 00:22:30,410 --> 00:22:35,043 And the reason why I say that is just practical experience, 335 00:22:35,043 --> 00:22:39,304 I just built an app for fun using Twilio's API, and for 336 00:22:39,304 --> 00:22:43,010 all the magic things that Twilio can do for you, 337 00:22:43,010 --> 00:22:49,032 it's still takes a human to put it together, to communicate to stakeholders 338 00:22:49,032 --> 00:22:54,066 to coordinate the project, it's still very human intensive. 339 00:22:54,066 --> 00:22:56,974 And that is not gonna change for a long time, so 340 00:22:56,974 --> 00:22:59,445 I wouldn't be paranoid about that. 341 00:22:59,445 --> 00:23:02,181 I'd say it's much more important to get a tech job, so 342 00:23:02,181 --> 00:23:04,375 you're a part of the revolution. 343 00:23:04,375 --> 00:23:09,546 So as that revolution does start happening, you can be a part of it, 344 00:23:09,546 --> 00:23:13,927 versus encountering it, so that's really important. 345 00:23:13,927 --> 00:23:19,608 Come more great questions, please keep them coming in. 346 00:23:19,608 --> 00:23:23,615 From Patrick, has the pandemic increase the number of new students enrolling 347 00:23:23,615 --> 00:23:25,140 into Treehouse in 2020? 348 00:23:25,140 --> 00:23:33,700 Yes, we saw a large increase in March, April, and May, just skyrocketed numbers. 349 00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:36,628 And that was really fun to see, we really were honored and 350 00:23:36,628 --> 00:23:40,290 proud that we could serve folks who are looking to rescale and upskill. 351 00:23:41,580 --> 00:23:46,347 And now, as as brutal and terrible as the pandemic has been and 352 00:23:46,347 --> 00:23:51,022 will continue to be, we're honored that we can play a part in 353 00:23:51,022 --> 00:23:54,710 empowering people through these tough times. 354 00:23:56,370 --> 00:24:01,358 From D Murray, everyone can get in but what advice do you have Ryan for 355 00:24:01,358 --> 00:24:05,373 those old bros who need to let more people in? 356 00:24:05,373 --> 00:24:09,239 Gosh, if you look like me, you have work to do, 357 00:24:09,239 --> 00:24:15,730 you need to get educated number one about systematic racism and sexism. 358 00:24:15,730 --> 00:24:20,043 And you can start that actually pretty easily for free, 359 00:24:20,043 --> 00:24:23,988 you need to listen to a podcast called Seen White and 360 00:24:23,988 --> 00:24:29,850 you need to watch a free documentary on YouTube called 13th. 361 00:24:29,850 --> 00:24:35,231 And then there's another podcast about sexism 362 00:24:35,231 --> 00:24:39,939 by the same folks that made seeing white, 363 00:24:39,939 --> 00:24:43,480 which I'm blank on the name. 364 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,614 So I need to Google that and hopefully post that. 365 00:24:48,614 --> 00:24:52,350 Mels is pointing out white fragility is a very good book as well. 366 00:24:52,350 --> 00:24:55,519 But I'm pointing out there's things you can do, you can listen to a podcast and 367 00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:56,760 you can watch a movie, right? 368 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,426 Those are two things that you have no excuse not to do as a white guy like me to 369 00:25:01,426 --> 00:25:03,080 get educated. 370 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,051 So please do that number one, and 371 00:25:06,051 --> 00:25:11,030 then number two, start working on being an ally. 372 00:25:11,030 --> 00:25:13,406 So it turns out you have a lot of power and 373 00:25:13,406 --> 00:25:17,330 you can use it to empower other people around you. 374 00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:19,080 So just start there. 375 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:25,280 And that would be a big step from where we are today. 376 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,580 So all of you white guys like me, do the work. 377 00:25:29,580 --> 00:25:32,570 Here's a great question from Cassidy. 378 00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:37,180 Hey, a lot of questions I get from folks are quote how do I stand out as a junior 379 00:25:37,180 --> 00:25:39,400 developer unquote. 380 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,151 If you were to give a couple tips to folks trying to get their first job after 381 00:25:43,151 --> 00:25:45,830 learning on their own, what would they be? 382 00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:47,290 Such a good question. 383 00:25:47,290 --> 00:25:48,050 Okay. 384 00:25:48,050 --> 00:25:52,962 So, what you need to do is understand that getting that first job is 385 00:25:52,962 --> 00:25:57,699 going to be A chunk of work that you're going to have to do that's 386 00:25:57,699 --> 00:26:00,750 going to take at least three months. 387 00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:04,260 So first prepare yourself, okay, this is going to be three months of work. 388 00:26:04,260 --> 00:26:08,580 And I'm going to have to step through it and trust the process. 389 00:26:10,990 --> 00:26:12,960 So that's thing one prepare yourself. 390 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,900 The thing two is you need to start creating your own portfolio. 391 00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:22,905 And what I mean by that is you don't have any paid experience so you. 392 00:26:22,905 --> 00:26:27,439 You can't say, hey, I have this job that shows I have experience you have to prove 393 00:26:27,439 --> 00:26:29,825 that you have that experience. 394 00:26:29,825 --> 00:26:33,018 And the way you can do that is is actually pretty straightforward, it's not easy, but 395 00:26:33,018 --> 00:26:34,555 it's straightforward. 396 00:26:34,555 --> 00:26:39,063 What you need to do is Do your first project for free for a friend, 397 00:26:39,063 --> 00:26:41,760 a relative, a local business. 398 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,530 So say that you're learning how to build simple web apps. 399 00:26:45,530 --> 00:26:49,021 What you want to do is go find a local business, 400 00:26:49,021 --> 00:26:53,943 a local charity A local project that you care about and say, hey, 401 00:26:53,943 --> 00:26:58,120 I would like to build you this small thing for free. 402 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,300 You don't have that, can I build it for you? 403 00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:05,110 It's often a website, and they'll say, yeah, sure. 404 00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:09,199 And then, you build it and then that's your first Experience, 405 00:27:09,199 --> 00:27:13,665 you have a real project in the real world and then you do that again, but 406 00:27:13,665 --> 00:27:19,280 this time you try to find someone else and you charge them a little bit of money. 407 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,640 Maybe it's a hundred bucks. 408 00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:23,670 And then you do it again. 409 00:27:23,670 --> 00:27:25,870 And this time you charge a little bit more maybe two $300. 410 00:27:25,870 --> 00:27:32,370 So you're kind of building your paid experience with these small projects. 411 00:27:32,370 --> 00:27:37,270 If you can't get someone to pay you then just do projects for organizations 412 00:27:37,270 --> 00:27:42,328 that you're passionate about, if you're passionate about Animals then, 413 00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:48,160 find a nonprofit that serves animals and ask if you can build a project for them. 414 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:54,089 If you go to church or you go to any kind of local organization, 415 00:27:54,089 --> 00:27:57,290 try to build something for them. 416 00:27:57,290 --> 00:28:03,260 So essentially create your portfolio Do this as you're learning, right? 417 00:28:03,260 --> 00:28:05,528 And then when you finish your tech degree or 418 00:28:05,528 --> 00:28:10,066 you finish your online certificate, you're not gonna feel ready to apply for jobs, 419 00:28:10,066 --> 00:28:12,714 you're gonna feel like you're not good enough, 420 00:28:12,714 --> 00:28:17,480 you're gonna feel like an imposter and you just have to remember that's normal. 421 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,030 And you're never gonna feel that moment where you think, yep. 422 00:28:21,030 --> 00:28:24,380 I'm ready to apply for jobs, it's you're never gonna feel that way. 423 00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:27,344 So, then what you wanna do is, 424 00:28:27,344 --> 00:28:32,940 prepare yourself to apply 200 to 300 jobs, right? 425 00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:40,344 So, Remember, during the festival, we had speakers who explained, you know, 426 00:28:40,344 --> 00:28:46,220 they applied for, you know, seven to 10 jobs a day and just did it like clockwork. 427 00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:53,724 And then, through that process, I think that they got, you know, 428 00:28:53,724 --> 00:29:00,580 you'll see typically, maybe 5% five to 10% of people reply. 429 00:29:00,580 --> 00:29:08,330 So out of, 200 applications, you may get, five to 10 replies out of that. 430 00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:12,965 And then, those will be phone screens and then out of that you'll get two to three 431 00:29:12,965 --> 00:29:16,860 job interviews and out of that, you'll get one job Right. 432 00:29:16,860 --> 00:29:20,450 So just trust the process. 433 00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:25,881 It's, it's gonna be so hard but if you don't quit, you will get that first job, 434 00:29:25,881 --> 00:29:30,367 right and just remember you All the jobs are going to say, you know, 435 00:29:30,367 --> 00:29:35,251 two years of experience required.They're never going to say it's cool 436 00:29:35,251 --> 00:29:39,610 if you you know, have a tech degree from treehouse, just apply. 437 00:29:39,610 --> 00:29:44,182 None of them are gonna say that none of us are going to say hey, we're just looking 438 00:29:44,182 --> 00:29:48,286 for Bootcamp, grads.They're all gonna say two years of experience or 439 00:29:48,286 --> 00:29:52,160 junior developer, you are qualified for that job. 440 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,899 So if it says three plus years of experience, I would avoid those. 441 00:29:55,899 --> 00:29:59,062 Or if it says senior or mid level avoid those. 442 00:29:59,062 --> 00:30:02,110 But every other job, you can apply for. 443 00:30:02,110 --> 00:30:08,280 The final tip I'll give to this question is network, network, network. 444 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,330 And as an introvert I hate networking. 445 00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:14,070 You probably hate networking too. 446 00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:17,770 But just think of it as I need to make friends. 447 00:30:17,770 --> 00:30:21,540 Because those friends are gonna help open up doors, right? 448 00:30:21,540 --> 00:30:26,470 So look for people that work at the companies you wanna work at. 449 00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:31,101 And, friend them on Twitter or follow them on Twitter. 450 00:30:31,101 --> 00:30:34,850 Follow them on Instagram, follow them on LinkedIn. 451 00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:39,101 And, start noticing what they're doing, start caring about what they're doing, 452 00:30:39,101 --> 00:30:41,670 start commenting what they're doing. 453 00:30:41,670 --> 00:30:45,208 And then at some point you can say hey, I'd love to work at your company, 454 00:30:45,208 --> 00:30:47,610 let me know if anything opens up. 455 00:30:47,610 --> 00:30:50,510 And, that's very likely how you'll get that job. 456 00:30:50,510 --> 00:30:54,860 So, woo, that's kind of whirlwind how to get your first job. 457 00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:58,148 But you can do it, just remember that. 458 00:30:58,148 --> 00:31:03,670 Okay, looking at my questions over here, comment from CJ. 459 00:31:03,670 --> 00:31:06,472 I found Treehouse right after losing my job to COVID. 460 00:31:06,472 --> 00:31:08,613 Used to work in sports and live events. 461 00:31:08,613 --> 00:31:12,825 Have definitely dealt with imposter syndrome due to transitioning to a career 462 00:31:12,825 --> 00:31:15,660 that is so different from what I've known. 463 00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:17,520 But I'm excited to keep moving forward. 464 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,440 I would recommend Treehouse to anyone who's getting started in coding. 465 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,030 CJ, Thank you. 466 00:31:22,030 --> 00:31:24,510 Appreciate the support. 467 00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:25,140 Thank you so much. 468 00:31:25,140 --> 00:31:26,580 We're proud to serve you. 469 00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:28,320 I appreciate you saying that. 470 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,108 From Anne will Team Treehouse, create an app for 471 00:31:32,108 --> 00:31:35,460 someone of your trainings or maybe a code game? 472 00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:37,600 So much is done on smartphones now. 473 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,710 A game or code on the go would be awesome. 474 00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:43,130 We don't have plans to do that. 475 00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:45,560 We have a small but feisty team. 476 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,960 And we have to be really, really careful about what we spend our time on so 477 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,270 we can stay focused. 478 00:31:51,270 --> 00:31:54,920 I'm afraid we're not going to be releasing a mobile app anytime soon. 479 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,177 I'm sorry, I just wanted to be, clear with you. 480 00:31:59,177 --> 00:32:03,548 From Caden, I did two years of college in computer information and 481 00:32:03,548 --> 00:32:07,560 find myself in a job that I like, project management. 482 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,930 But I'm concerned about the longevity of the skills I'm using. 483 00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:12,736 I wish I was doing more coding, but 484 00:32:12,736 --> 00:32:16,500 didn't feel like I could hack it at a professional level. 485 00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:18,450 What advice would you give someone concerned about 486 00:32:18,450 --> 00:32:19,590 their future career in tech? 487 00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:28,350 So, Caden, I would encourage you to learn some low code or no code tools. 488 00:32:28,350 --> 00:32:32,520 So Zapier is a very powerful tool. 489 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,200 You can use it to start automating important tasks at work. 490 00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:45,476 And that's a good way to kind of start doing technical things, 491 00:32:45,476 --> 00:32:49,657 but not necessarily doing pure code. 492 00:32:49,657 --> 00:32:51,056 There's some other fun things. 493 00:32:51,056 --> 00:32:52,640 I'm Currently loving Twilio, 494 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,630 just cuz I've been building a fun personal project with it. 495 00:32:56,630 --> 00:33:01,660 You can sign up for apps like Twilio to build 496 00:33:01,660 --> 00:33:06,282 SMS notifications for your employer. 497 00:33:06,282 --> 00:33:10,044 There's a lot of low code, no code stuff now that I encourage you to learn if you 498 00:33:10,044 --> 00:33:11,870 don't wanna go hardcore developer. 499 00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:17,451 And that'll make you even more valuable to your employer. 500 00:33:17,451 --> 00:33:23,023 But I would encourage you to try one of our tech degrees for instance. 501 00:33:23,023 --> 00:33:27,164 Just to help you feel even more comfortable 502 00:33:27,164 --> 00:33:31,150 with the code technical side of things. 503 00:33:31,150 --> 00:33:35,420 What you may find is that actually you're comfortable with it. 504 00:33:35,420 --> 00:33:37,430 You can talk about it in meetings. 505 00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:40,418 It kind of will open up more options. 506 00:33:40,418 --> 00:33:42,770 Cassidy says Airtable, yes. 507 00:33:42,770 --> 00:33:47,910 Airtable, Webflow these are all low code, no code tools that are awesome. 508 00:33:47,910 --> 00:33:51,990 Like Airtable is basically a database that anybody can use, 509 00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:54,071 and it actually feels normal. 510 00:33:54,071 --> 00:33:59,826 [LAUGH] Versus when you look at something like MySQL, or PostgreS or 511 00:33:59,826 --> 00:34:04,690 DynamoDB it's just, it looks like technical magic. 512 00:34:04,690 --> 00:34:09,950 Whereas, Airtable's a really easy to use database. 513 00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:14,331 So if you combine Zapier and Airtable, for instance, 514 00:34:14,331 --> 00:34:19,391 you can build a ton of stuff without even writing a line of code. 515 00:34:19,391 --> 00:34:21,310 This is fun, okay. 516 00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:23,410 I got some more stuff to go through. 517 00:34:23,410 --> 00:34:28,177 Brian B says, do you feel coding slash tech is getting congested? 518 00:34:28,177 --> 00:34:30,010 I wonder if I'm too late? 519 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,965 Absolutely not. 520 00:34:36,469 --> 00:34:38,887 Every job is going to be a tech job in the future. 521 00:34:38,887 --> 00:34:42,670 I mean it's just going to be everywhere. 522 00:34:42,670 --> 00:34:47,931 I think, if anything, we're at the very beginning of all this. 523 00:34:47,931 --> 00:34:54,620 Tech is absolutely eating the world, for better or worse it's happening. 524 00:34:54,620 --> 00:34:57,340 And so you are absolutely not too late. 525 00:34:57,340 --> 00:34:59,860 Get in now, enjoy it. 526 00:34:59,860 --> 00:35:04,210 The thing that's wonderful about learning how to code is it's so creative. 527 00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:06,920 Anything you can imagine, you can build. 528 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:12,906 And so I think if you love creating things and you love building things. 529 00:35:12,906 --> 00:35:16,963 You love helping people or starting businesses or 530 00:35:16,963 --> 00:35:21,330 making projects, it's just such a fun thing to do. 531 00:35:21,330 --> 00:35:23,120 It's like learning how to use Lego, right? 532 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,710 It's just amazing what you can build. 533 00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:27,810 So definitely not too late. 534 00:35:27,810 --> 00:35:34,910 And I wanna be clear, yes, there are systematic barriers, age, color, sex. 535 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,834 All of these things still exist and they still make it easier for 536 00:35:41,834 --> 00:35:44,686 people that look like me to get in. 537 00:35:44,686 --> 00:35:50,910 But organizations like Treehouse, we exist to empower more people to get in. 538 00:35:50,910 --> 00:35:56,063 So, if you feel like you're being held out of tech because of systematic reasons, 539 00:35:56,063 --> 00:35:59,230 we care about you, we wanna empower you. 540 00:35:59,230 --> 00:36:01,290 That's why we exist and you can do it. 541 00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:08,945 All right, more questions from McCage. 542 00:36:08,945 --> 00:36:11,630 I'm hoping I'm saying that right, McCage. 543 00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:18,066 How is Treehouse cooperating with businesses regarding the job market? 544 00:36:18,066 --> 00:36:22,702 So, what we're gonna start doing, especially in the new year, 545 00:36:22,702 --> 00:36:25,498 is talking more and more to employers. 546 00:36:25,498 --> 00:36:30,307 And Toni, who is our Chief Learning and 547 00:36:30,307 --> 00:36:34,862 Operations Officer, Dr. Josato. 548 00:36:34,862 --> 00:36:39,652 She cares deeply about connecting our graduates to jobs. 549 00:36:39,652 --> 00:36:44,550 So we're gonna be really leaning into that even more in the new year. 550 00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:46,892 So I'm really excited about that. 551 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,674 All right, from Jason, do you recommend freelancing while you're looking for 552 00:36:52,674 --> 00:36:54,780 work with a legit company? 553 00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:57,573 Absolutely, if you can freelance, 554 00:36:57,573 --> 00:37:03,880 it's a really good way to build your experience, to build your resume. 555 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,910 So if you can do freelancing, it's a really good thing to get going on. 556 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,010 I would not advise people to do unpaid internships. 557 00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:18,880 I think a lot of folks can't afford that. 558 00:37:20,380 --> 00:37:26,100 And I think if a company is hiring interns, I think they should pay them. 559 00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:30,630 And, so I would look for internships that are paid. 560 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:39,730 All right, Dave, what are your outside interests, music, baking etc.? 561 00:37:39,730 --> 00:37:45,155 [LAUGH] So I love a couple things outside of work, 562 00:37:45,155 --> 00:37:49,180 one is movies, I love movies. 563 00:37:49,180 --> 00:37:53,500 I actually love watching movies by myself, like I said I'm an introvert. 564 00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:58,120 So a little bit of heaven for me is just being by myself and watching movies. 565 00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,800 [LAUGH] So that's one thing. 566 00:38:01,410 --> 00:38:04,472 I've really gotten into sailing. 567 00:38:04,472 --> 00:38:10,799 So my job is 100% digital, it's 100% over Zoom now. 568 00:38:10,799 --> 00:38:14,964 And I was really craving something very analog and 569 00:38:14,964 --> 00:38:20,030 something very attached to nature and reality. 570 00:38:20,030 --> 00:38:23,159 So I thought, gosh, it would be amazing to learn how to sail. 571 00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:26,642 Especially during the pandemic because you can be safe. 572 00:38:26,642 --> 00:38:28,880 Because you can be away from people and still be sailing. 573 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,100 So I joined this little Sailing Club. 574 00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:33,740 It's nothing fancy, trust me. 575 00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:39,243 It looks like a shed here in Portland. 576 00:38:39,243 --> 00:38:45,154 And I learned how to sail on these cute little 22 foot sailboats and 577 00:38:45,154 --> 00:38:47,510 it's just been a blast. 578 00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:49,070 So I've been doing a lot of sailing. 579 00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:54,810 I used to be really into doing Spartan races. 580 00:38:54,810 --> 00:38:58,020 But I always injured myself. 581 00:38:58,020 --> 00:39:04,230 So I do less of that now, but I still enjoy a little bit of working out. 582 00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:06,950 Not so much during the pandemic, I'll be honest. 583 00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:09,097 I'm still probably drinking a little bit too much and 584 00:39:09,097 --> 00:39:10,705 sitting around in my pyjamas too much. 585 00:39:10,705 --> 00:39:16,000 [LAUGH] Just what I will do later today, I'm excited about that. 586 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:22,360 Okay, from Charlene, Webflow, yeah, we were talking a little bit about this. 587 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,660 There's a lot of low-code, no-code tools coming out and they are powerful. 588 00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:31,440 What's gonna start happening is, 589 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,906 the foundational layer of technology is gonna be built up and built up. 590 00:39:36,906 --> 00:39:42,240 And you're gonna find, you don't have to do as many low level tasks anymore. 591 00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:47,770 And tools like Webflow are making it easier and easier. 592 00:39:47,770 --> 00:39:49,660 And I would encourage you to check them out. 593 00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:54,980 You don't have to be a hardcore backend engineer. 594 00:39:54,980 --> 00:39:59,722 To be successful in tech, there's a lot of jobs especially and 595 00:39:59,722 --> 00:40:04,016 in marketing and sales and that use tools like Webflow and 596 00:40:04,016 --> 00:40:08,060 they're very powerful, HubSpot is very powerful. 597 00:40:08,060 --> 00:40:08,960 We use that at Treehouse. 598 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,890 So I would check them out. 599 00:40:11,970 --> 00:40:17,245 I've recently been teaching myself serverless functions and 600 00:40:17,245 --> 00:40:22,440 using tools like Lambda on AWS, and it's blowing my mind. 601 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,733 I mean this reality that you don't even have to worry about your 602 00:40:26,733 --> 00:40:29,220 infrastructure even anymore. 603 00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:32,480 You can just call a function, it's amazing. 604 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:38,379 So I think we're gonna see more and more of that where the physical hardware, 605 00:40:38,379 --> 00:40:42,100 even the stack is gonna to get abstracted away and 606 00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:45,760 you can focus more just on creating solutions. 607 00:40:46,990 --> 00:40:50,860 So yeah, check out those tools for sure. 608 00:40:50,860 --> 00:40:53,860 I've got some more slack messages. 609 00:40:53,860 --> 00:40:56,260 Let me just check. 610 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,200 Okay, this is really fun you all, thanks for hanging out. 611 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,920 Okay, from Jennifer. 612 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,480 So I love Team Treehouse. 613 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:12,460 Thank you, but have found that I read a lot faster than I can watch videos. 614 00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:15,980 Is there any thoughts on expanding your curriculum to include non-videos? 615 00:41:15,980 --> 00:41:19,380 I also would love to hear what Team Treehouse has and plans for the future. 616 00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:20,880 Thanks Jennifer for your kind words. 617 00:41:21,940 --> 00:41:28,050 So we are definitely introducing more what we call instruction steps. 618 00:41:28,050 --> 00:41:30,220 So those are text based. 619 00:41:30,220 --> 00:41:35,119 We can also update them faster because we don't have to record a whole video 620 00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:35,980 to do that. 621 00:41:35,980 --> 00:41:40,875 So we're introducing more instruction steps but we are gonna be focused for 622 00:41:40,875 --> 00:41:42,490 the large part on video. 623 00:41:43,770 --> 00:41:46,086 We, I believe strongly and I think Dr. 624 00:41:46,086 --> 00:41:50,876 Sato shares my belief in this that a lot of what we're teaching is very abstract. 625 00:41:50,876 --> 00:41:58,890 And a lot of folks benefit from watching a video to have it explained to them. 626 00:41:58,890 --> 00:42:00,990 That's why we invest a lot in motion design. 627 00:42:02,110 --> 00:42:07,457 I want to call out we have an awesome motion designer named Michael and 628 00:42:07,457 --> 00:42:10,300 I think that's important to us. 629 00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:12,778 So if you're looking for pure text instruction, 630 00:42:12,778 --> 00:42:15,670 I don't think honestly we're probably the best for you. 631 00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:19,210 You can also the watch videos really fast. 632 00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:23,228 So if you want to speed up the speedometer, you can do that. 633 00:42:23,228 --> 00:42:26,284 I think I watch all of our videos at 1.5. 634 00:42:26,284 --> 00:42:27,850 It's really funny to watch them at 0.25. 635 00:42:27,850 --> 00:42:31,220 You should do that just for laughs cuz it sounds like Gil is drunk [LAUGH]. 636 00:42:32,570 --> 00:42:36,510 So, but thanks for your kind words about Treehouse. 637 00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:37,140 We appreciate it. 638 00:42:40,110 --> 00:42:42,914 Yeah, I see that Cassie's talking about Jamstack. 639 00:42:42,914 --> 00:42:47,367 There's just some really fun things going on with abstracting away the physical 640 00:42:47,367 --> 00:42:49,280 infrastructure layer. 641 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,970 And it's pretty cool, but don't worry about that stuff quite yet. 642 00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:57,532 I think you could just get started with vanilla JavaScript and 643 00:42:57,532 --> 00:43:01,050 local environment and be just fine for a while. 644 00:43:01,050 --> 00:43:05,616 But then once you get down with that, you can start to use these amazing tools and 645 00:43:05,616 --> 00:43:07,190 it's really fun. 646 00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:08,610 Gil, I think is around somewhere. 647 00:43:10,020 --> 00:43:10,717 Hey Gil. 648 00:43:10,717 --> 00:43:12,830 Okay, let's keep going. 649 00:43:12,830 --> 00:43:13,864 Lots of good questions. 650 00:43:13,864 --> 00:43:18,530 From Beth, what is your opinion of someone at 50 getting into web development? 651 00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:23,680 Absolutely, amen, you can do it, you'll be amazing at it. 652 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,191 So a lot of people that I know, I'm 43, 44 now maybe and 653 00:43:28,191 --> 00:43:31,802 I'm having friends that are older and older and 654 00:43:31,802 --> 00:43:37,880 what I'm realizing of course is that as you age, you have life experience. 655 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,770 You have valuable, valuable insights, right? 656 00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:43,580 So yeah, absolutely. 657 00:43:43,580 --> 00:43:47,020 You do not need to be young to be a great software developer. 658 00:43:47,020 --> 00:43:53,520 In fact, the older you are, the more life experience you're going be, go get it. 659 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,106 Yeah. And when you're interviewing, 660 00:43:55,106 --> 00:43:57,150 remind them of that, hey, I have life experience. 661 00:43:57,150 --> 00:44:01,980 I've done all these things, I'm gonna bring a unique 662 00:44:01,980 --> 00:44:06,710 perspective, bring it because that is so valuable. 663 00:44:08,130 --> 00:44:12,968 All right, Kaden, do you have a personal podcast, blog or book? 664 00:44:12,968 --> 00:44:14,655 I really enjoy that hearing your perspective. 665 00:44:14,655 --> 00:44:15,754 Thanks Kaden. 666 00:44:15,754 --> 00:44:21,670 I don't, and honestly I'm backing away from social media a little bit. 667 00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:22,812 If you go to my Twitter or 668 00:44:22,812 --> 00:44:26,400 my Instagram now you'll see I actually posted the letter. 669 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:32,370 [LAUGH] So where I got people to write to me. 670 00:44:35,010 --> 00:44:40,367 I think that social media is damaging the fabric of our ethics. 671 00:44:40,367 --> 00:44:43,150 But I feel that it's taking away the conversation. 672 00:44:43,150 --> 00:44:48,413 It's taking away the common grounds and 673 00:44:48,413 --> 00:44:52,598 I think it's driving us apart. 674 00:44:52,598 --> 00:44:55,070 And I don't want to be part of it right now. 675 00:44:55,070 --> 00:44:57,850 So write me if you go to Twitter, you'll see my P.O. Box. 676 00:44:57,850 --> 00:44:59,836 I'd love to hear from you and I'll write you back. 677 00:44:59,836 --> 00:45:02,460 [LAUGH] It's kind of where I'm at right now. 678 00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:06,450 I might not be there forever, but it's where I'm at right now. 679 00:45:06,450 --> 00:45:08,580 I would love to do a podcast sometime. 680 00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:11,670 I just think they're fun, but I don't have one right now. 681 00:45:13,450 --> 00:45:16,020 So I am focusing on being the CEO Treehouse and 682 00:45:16,020 --> 00:45:20,330 then learning how to sail and that's kind of what I'm doing right now. 683 00:45:20,330 --> 00:45:23,890 But I might get back in the game with podcast at some point. 684 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:31,550 All right from Bee, what are your thoughts on take home code tests? 685 00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:37,909 I see some code newbies myself included experiencing this coding for hours and 686 00:45:37,909 --> 00:45:43,797 not being able to use it as a portfolio piece and then not getting the job. 687 00:45:43,797 --> 00:45:48,740 So what companies should be doing is paying for your time. 688 00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:53,103 So if you're being asked to do a take home test which is really 689 00:45:53,103 --> 00:45:56,710 creating a piece of work, they should be paying. 690 00:45:58,090 --> 00:46:02,576 And if they're not, I have questions about how 691 00:46:02,576 --> 00:46:06,961 inclusive they are, how equitable they are. 692 00:46:06,961 --> 00:46:11,256 So I would ask hey, I'm happy to do this. 693 00:46:11,256 --> 00:46:19,130 My hourly rate is 125 Bucks an hour and they should be fine with that. 694 00:46:19,130 --> 00:46:22,370 So that should help a little bit with you not being able to use the work. 695 00:46:22,370 --> 00:46:26,591 You could also ask if you don't get the role, just say hey, 696 00:46:26,591 --> 00:46:31,920 I really enjoyed doing this, do you mind if I use it as part of my portfolio? 697 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,912 Now it may be code specific to their company, 698 00:46:35,912 --> 00:46:37,810 then that's obviously not gonna work. 699 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,720 So I'd encourage you ask to get paid. 700 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:45,119 And honestly any good company that knows anything about equity 701 00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:49,500 diversity inclusion will absolutely pay for that. 702 00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:50,690 We do that, so. 703 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,452 Okay, but Bee I wanna empathize and say, yeah, 704 00:46:55,452 --> 00:47:01,110 that that is one of the very hard exhausting things about applying for jobs. 705 00:47:01,110 --> 00:47:07,340 Try to view it as you just getting another chance to get better, right? 706 00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:11,370 And getting more and more practice and that might be helpful. 707 00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:16,013 Okay, we're getting close to end of our time, but 708 00:47:16,013 --> 00:47:18,980 we're also getting close to a number of questions. 709 00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:22,380 We got three more it looks like, from Charlene. 710 00:47:22,380 --> 00:47:25,440 What sorts of things should you put in your portfolio? 711 00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:29,080 Things you're passionate about. 712 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:34,207 So what I would do like I said earlier in this call in this talk was, 713 00:47:34,207 --> 00:47:37,566 create your own portfolio by doing work for 714 00:47:37,566 --> 00:47:41,470 organizations that you're passionate about. 715 00:47:41,470 --> 00:47:46,260 If you are a member of a mosque, ask if you can build something for the mosque. 716 00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:50,532 And then get it live in the internet and then put it in your portfolio. 717 00:47:50,532 --> 00:47:55,414 If you're passionate about social justice and and you want to do something, 718 00:47:55,414 --> 00:48:00,460 build something, get it out into the world and then put that on your portfolio. 719 00:48:00,460 --> 00:48:05,740 So it is a massive, attractive thing when you interview somebody 720 00:48:05,740 --> 00:48:10,550 that has built something that they're passionate about. 721 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:16,492 It means they have initiative, it means that they are hard working, 722 00:48:16,492 --> 00:48:19,620 it means that they are opinionated. 723 00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:21,560 Those are all really good things. 724 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,972 So I would say put those first. 725 00:48:23,972 --> 00:48:26,518 Now if you have paid expense, that's awesome. 726 00:48:26,518 --> 00:48:29,287 Obviously put that up there too, but 727 00:48:29,287 --> 00:48:34,035 I'd encourage you to really focus on those passion projects. 728 00:48:34,035 --> 00:48:37,849 Especially if you are, hey, my kid is here, what's up? 729 00:48:37,849 --> 00:48:43,280 Another really great thing to do is be the center of a community. 730 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,296 So if you live in Pueblo, Colorado and 731 00:48:46,296 --> 00:48:51,105 you want to get other women in tech who want to get together and 732 00:48:51,105 --> 00:48:54,799 talk like, form a group, be the center of it. 733 00:48:54,799 --> 00:49:00,154 Organize the Zoom calls, get the community together ad then put 734 00:49:00,154 --> 00:49:05,840 that on your resume as well like hey, I organized this group. 735 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:11,150 That's very attractive to employers as well plus you'll do good in the world. 736 00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:14,210 So good, great question. 737 00:49:15,215 --> 00:49:17,345 From Liz, I presume this is from Liz Jackson. 738 00:49:17,345 --> 00:49:19,215 Hello, I love your questions. 739 00:49:19,215 --> 00:49:23,785 What are some of your favorite orgs committed to making tech more inclusive? 740 00:49:23,785 --> 00:49:25,265 Great question. 741 00:49:25,265 --> 00:49:28,116 I'm a big fan of anitab.org. 742 00:49:28,116 --> 00:49:35,160 I think they have awesome leadership and they're doing great things. 743 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,235 I'm a big, big fan of Change Catalysts, 744 00:49:39,235 --> 00:49:44,708 big fan of Arlen Hamilton and everything she's doing, 745 00:49:44,708 --> 00:49:51,240 a big fan of Black Women Talk Tech, big fan of Boys and Girls Clubs. 746 00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:56,410 There's just so many good organizations, Black Girls Code. 747 00:49:58,491 --> 00:50:03,413 There's there's a myriad of amazing organizations that are doing really 748 00:50:03,413 --> 00:50:06,614 good work to support more inclusive pathways and 749 00:50:06,614 --> 00:50:10,770 attack on ramp is doing a really good apprenticeship program. 750 00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:16,873 Yeah, there's a lot of good things going on and tech and 751 00:50:16,873 --> 00:50:20,938 encourage you to reach out to those organizations and 752 00:50:20,938 --> 00:50:25,291 take advantage of all the resources that you can on that. 753 00:50:25,291 --> 00:50:30,250 From Josh ,Do you think when we are living in a post COVID world there 754 00:50:30,250 --> 00:50:33,646 will be in person treehouse events to attend? 755 00:50:33,646 --> 00:50:34,947 Wow! When that'd be amazing. 756 00:50:34,947 --> 00:50:36,930 [LAUGH] I would love that. 757 00:50:36,930 --> 00:50:39,934 I mean, that would just make me so happy. 758 00:50:39,934 --> 00:50:45,325 So maybe, I don't know, but it sure would be a lot of fun with that. 759 00:50:45,325 --> 00:50:51,400 I think Trails festival being online is also a great way to be inclusive. 760 00:50:52,570 --> 00:50:56,678 So maybe it's both, but it's really up to the team. 761 00:50:56,678 --> 00:50:59,218 Dr. Sato is going to determine, I think, 762 00:50:59,218 --> 00:51:03,960 what we do next with Treehouse festival, but I would love to do in person thing. 763 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,336 It'd be so much fun but good question. 764 00:51:09,336 --> 00:51:15,943 Also before Treehouse, I also organized conferences, and they were a lot of fun. 765 00:51:15,943 --> 00:51:17,630 But they're also problematic, right? 766 00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:22,120 I mean, a lot of the people that can fly to a conference are also privileged, 767 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:22,623 right? 768 00:51:22,623 --> 00:51:27,816 They've got the money, the time to hop on a plane and 769 00:51:27,816 --> 00:51:30,887 that's just problematic, so 770 00:51:30,887 --> 00:51:35,505 tricky that maybe it would be pretty fun on it. 771 00:51:35,505 --> 00:51:40,998 From Jason, what's an entry level starting wage with a boot camp or tech degree? 772 00:51:40,998 --> 00:51:42,660 Has a good question. 773 00:51:42,660 --> 00:51:45,804 I need to check my notes, but 774 00:51:45,804 --> 00:51:50,919 I need to check before I answer that question. 775 00:51:50,919 --> 00:51:55,308 So, maybe somebody from my team Kayleen Hey, 776 00:51:55,308 --> 00:52:01,158 you could message me privately and tell me what are the what's 777 00:52:01,158 --> 00:52:07,255 the band that that we see folks starting at a junior level roles. 778 00:52:07,255 --> 00:52:08,196 Cassidy answered. 779 00:52:10,984 --> 00:52:12,214 Okay, good. 780 00:52:12,214 --> 00:52:13,370 I just want to say a number of that. 781 00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:13,970 Have we wrong? 782 00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:17,470 Cause I need to double check it. 783 00:52:17,470 --> 00:52:19,261 Charlene says, Ryan, what's your Twitter handle? 784 00:52:19,261 --> 00:52:22,432 Really easy. Just Ryan Carson. 785 00:52:22,432 --> 00:52:26,361 And I'm pretty much Ryan Carson everywhere and write me a letter at my P.O. box. 786 00:52:26,361 --> 00:52:32,394 I would be honored to hear from you all. 787 00:52:32,394 --> 00:52:33,149 That was fun. 788 00:52:33,149 --> 00:52:35,686 [LAUGH] That was a lot of great questions. 789 00:52:35,686 --> 00:52:38,870 Thank you so much for hanging out with me. 790 00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:41,843 I'm always blown away and honored when people want to hang out. 791 00:52:41,843 --> 00:52:47,411 It's like gosh, you all are so busy and have so many options in your life. 792 00:52:47,411 --> 00:52:52,800 So thanks for spending 50 minutes with me. 793 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,579 I love Treehouse students. 794 00:52:54,579 --> 00:52:58,836 I'm honored to serve you all and I really thank you for 795 00:52:58,836 --> 00:53:01,490 letting us be a part of your life. 796 00:53:03,310 --> 00:53:05,790 And it's an honor to hang out with you. 797 00:53:05,790 --> 00:53:10,720 So that concludes this ask me anything session I hope you enjoyed it. 798 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:16,041 I appreciated your questions and thanks for all your kind words. 799 00:53:16,041 --> 00:53:18,063 Remember, we're doing networking and 800 00:53:18,063 --> 00:53:22,050 networking is such a powerful way to start making those connections. 801 00:53:22,050 --> 00:53:25,703 All you have to do is hit the button on the left of the screen that 802 00:53:25,703 --> 00:53:26,841 says networking. 803 00:53:26,841 --> 00:53:29,983 And you just get paired randomly with somebody you got three minutes you can do 804 00:53:29,983 --> 00:53:30,574 a video call. 805 00:53:30,574 --> 00:53:34,130 lt's a great way to meet people. 806 00:53:34,130 --> 00:53:39,427 If you connect with each other, you just connect and you share details. 807 00:53:39,427 --> 00:53:40,150 It's really safe. 808 00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:41,793 We haven't had any problems at all. 809 00:53:41,793 --> 00:53:44,994 If you do experience any weirdness, just flag the person and 810 00:53:44,994 --> 00:53:48,342 then we'll get notified and we'll take action immediately. 811 00:53:48,342 --> 00:53:51,170 But that hasn't happened yet. 812 00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:55,889 So Cool, Kenny said average Junior 813 00:53:55,889 --> 00:53:59,986 development salary is 77K. 814 00:53:59,986 --> 00:54:04,881 Salary range typically falls between 62K and 85K. 815 00:54:04,881 --> 00:54:05,587 Kenny. 816 00:54:05,587 --> 00:54:06,654 Thank you. You're awesome. 817 00:54:06,654 --> 00:54:10,948 That's all I thought but I didn't wanna say the number of facts. 818 00:54:10,948 --> 00:54:11,561 They're important. 819 00:54:11,561 --> 00:54:16,691 [LAUGH] Thank you all so much for taking time. 820 00:54:16,691 --> 00:54:17,483 I missed you all. 821 00:54:17,483 --> 00:54:21,150 I wish we could see each other in person but this is really fun to spend time. 822 00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:24,181 Thank you to my amazing team who made this whole 823 00:54:24,181 --> 00:54:28,700 thing happen I don't really just like show up and And sit in my chair. 824 00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:31,205 Liz has done an amazing amount of work. 825 00:54:31,205 --> 00:54:33,163 Liz, you're a rock star. 826 00:54:33,163 --> 00:54:35,136 I appreciate you. 827 00:54:35,136 --> 00:54:42,630 Patrick, Gill, Kayleen, Tony. 828 00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:43,788 Everyone else that tree house. 829 00:54:43,788 --> 00:54:45,698 It's made this possible. 830 00:54:45,698 --> 00:54:48,140 I appreciate you and you are amazing. 831 00:54:48,140 --> 00:54:49,584 And notice what happened to that you. 832 00:54:49,584 --> 00:54:52,135 So thanks, everybody. 833 00:54:52,135 --> 00:54:54,959 And we will see you at the next festival, right? 834 00:54:54,959 --> 00:54:55,827 Okay. 835 00:54:55,827 --> 00:54:56,934 All right. See you later. 836 00:54:56,934 --> 00:54:57,434 Bye.