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Welcome, everybody!

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So excited to have you all here today.

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I am Ryan Carson,
the founder of Treehouse.

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And I would like to welcome you
to this new Guest Speaker Series,

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How to Land Your Dream Job.

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In this series we will talk with
seasoned tech professionals about their

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journey that got them to
where they are today.

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Through our conversations we will
explore the idea of a dream job.

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So you're able to set expectations,
goals and aspirations to succeed.

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We hope this series helps you realize how
important all professional experience is

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towards your goals.

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Stay tuned, for after the interview,
as there will be a networking hour for

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all attendees where you will get the
chance to meet other folks in real time.

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I'm very happy happy to introduce Will
Vasquez as this session's guest speaker.

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Will's a software developer at Tacit and
an instructor at UCLA Coding Boot Camp.

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He made the shift from management
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graduating from a coding
boot camp in 2015.

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He was inspired to make that change
after founding a startup in Peru.

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Currently he holds a Master of
Business Administration from

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Universidad Del Pacifico in Peru and

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a Bachelors of Science in Economics
from Ramapo College of New Jersey.

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Will is a Messi-like soccer player,
I want verification.

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>> [LAUGH]
>> By the way, and

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the father with three-year-old, and
has surprising cooking abilities.

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Welcome, Will.

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>> Thanks, Ryan, thank you very much for
having me on your series.

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>> Yeah, it's good to have you here.

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Really appreciate your time.

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So, let's get started and
get right into the questions.

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We know that a computer science
degree isn't the only route to

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a meaningful tech career.

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I'd like to invite you to expand about
your background and experience that led

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you to your role as a software
developer and boot camp instructor.

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When did you first consider software
engineering as a viable option?

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>> Sure, so I always had a love for
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There was definitely a passion there.

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I did do my career in Economics cuz my
parents gave me that choice between,

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studying economics they would pay for it.

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Or doing computer science at the time and
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myself on that one.

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So I did go with the safe choice.

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Did economics,
then I did a master's degree.

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I founded a startup, and at the startup
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one of them was trying to figure
out how to launch the product.

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So I learned a little bit, self-taught.

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So self taught with couple of
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that's where I saw that
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Started, didn't work out, sold it 2014,
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that's where I went into a boot camp.

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Took a boot camp in, it was a records
coding boot camp at the time, I believe.

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And from there, yeah, I did a 360-degree
pivot into software development.

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One of the important things is trying
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through the startup.

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At the time I was working for, as I was
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I was also working full-time, right?

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For them, and
I was using my management skills there,

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I was working there as a supply
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So I use all those skills to be
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that-
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>> That boot camp, was it online or

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in person?

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That one was in person.

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Got it, so how did you balance?

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I mean, that sounds like a lot of work,
kind of balancing that job,

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being a family person and
doing the boot camp.

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What was the typical day like for you when
you were going through the boot camp?

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>> So the boot camp was three times
a week, but of course you had homework for

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the other days that you
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One of the things was actually scheduling.

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One of the things I've gotten a little bit
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just to focus on what
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when you want to get done during the day.

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So mostly your 9 to 5, and then from
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amount of time to be able to dedicate
just do my homework or have class time.

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>> Got it, okay.

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So why don't you talk about
what advice you could give for

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aspiring developers who are specifically
transitioning sectors like you did?

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>> So the first thing is,
if you're doing a career change,

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everything that you've done up to
that point has some value, right?

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It's you can't just, gonna throw it away.

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I know you're starting a new career, but

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that doesn't mean that you
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So, if you're a teacher,

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you leverage that knowledge that you
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do there's a lot of companies that
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Or, for example, I had somebody that
since I'm now teaching at UCLA,

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I had a student that, for
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He was a chef.

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So using that, and then he ended up
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do with one of these ghost kitchens.

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But again, leveraging the knowledge
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you kind of transition into the vault.

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>> Got it, okay.

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So what suggestions do you have for
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a new developer for
someone who has no tech experience?

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>> So here's the depends how you're going.

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So the, resume is gonna be tailored
of how you're gonna apply, right?

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So if you are gonna try that
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we just tried to shoot to one of these
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There you probably want, you're gonna look
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have, and you're gonna want to try
to load your, application, right?

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Many of the keywords as possible, right?

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So if you're looking at a entry level
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you're probably gonna wanna load
your resume with JavaScript.

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So your project has JavaScript and
you use JavaScript here, right?

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So you wanna load it, because most of
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they go through kind of a AI system.

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They'll just read your resume and
just kind of rank you depending on how

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you score on the keywords
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So that's one one way of
looking at your resume.

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Now, if you're looking at your resume
view, and this is probably the best way

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you can have your best shot is networking,
and if you are able to reach out to

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an actual person, then you probably
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If you're making this transition,
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you want to highlight that yeah.

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You might not have the working experience
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self thought or Bootcamp, right?

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So you don't have the experience
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But in the case of development, you can
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right?

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I mean, I think this is one of
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careers, right?

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Cuz an accountant can say that
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there's really harder way to prove that,
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But in case of our careers,
in case of development, you can be a great

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developer if you show that you've
been able to work on projects, right?

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So links to your repositories,
links to your work, to your projects.

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One of the biggest things that I've seen
is you don't have to have 20 projects.

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You can have two or three projects,
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I've seen a lot of resumes where they'll
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they're not complete.

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They're not complete, and
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And that unluckily says a lot, right?

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That unluckily says, it says a lot,
it says a lot more than they needed.

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>> So how if you've got two or
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this is one of the reasons we focus
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why you focus on projects,
I'm sure you're coding boot camp.

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Once you've built that and
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it to live live on the web,
on a real URL and to be working?

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Is that super important or is it more
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>> Well, so I think it's more about if
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resume, it's gonna be really hard for
somebody to type a really long break.

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If you go to one, if you deploy this to
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really hard to, 200-long URL, it's
gonna be really hard for the presenter.

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So I would recommend I do like a Bitly,
which will just kind of shorten your URL.

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Ideally if you can, you could apply
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it's always those little
things that add up, right?

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Cuz it keeps saying this person is, you
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You are actually showing with these
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are detail-oriented, right?

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>> Yep, that's a really good point.

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That's almost like a filter,

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That person that does the first pass
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And I would say I agree with that,
that's the first thing to do.

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You're gonna either click it or type it.

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It has to be short.

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Ideally, it's a professional-looking URL.

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I mean, you can purchase
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very little money as long as it's a word
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It can be a.io, it can be a dot whatever,
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That it works and that, so
folks who are developers,

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they're not gonna be
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So how do you deal with making
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Yeah, I do agree, so
I'm really bad at design.

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My stuff looks horrendous, right?

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You gotta accept it, first place,
you gotta look at your things and be like,

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yeah, this is [INAUDIBLE].

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,One way that I try to circumvent
that one way that I try to

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find a difference is
sometimes finding themes.

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There's nothing wrong with finding themes.

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You're doing something that's a form or
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there's, Oof the top oft my head I don't
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you can find one of
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I guy that would do it for free.

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Sometimes they cost a little bit of money,
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Buy a theme cuz that's what I do, cuz,
again, I am not good at design, right?

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But it is important, especially
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Kind of like food, right?

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Food can taste amazing, but
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you kind of have that
hesitation to try it, right?

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So, yeah, I would definitely think about
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Or, again, you can also use some of
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heavy CSS frameworks, exactly.

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>> Yeah, I think what Will is saying and
I would echo to all of you joining us is

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that, just imagine you're walking
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You would care about how you looked.

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You would brush your teeth.

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You would kind of do these things and
it's very similar.

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The first impression that
someone's gonna have of your work,

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you just need to make it look like
you thought about that, right?

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So, Will, do you think,
we'll go a little off script here.

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Walk us through just step by step,
how does someone get a job?

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So you've completed your tech degree or
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you don't have any paid experience.

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Just walk someone through
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how they're gonna get those interviews and
then land that first job.

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>> Yeah, so the first thing,
I'm a big data guy.

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So the first thing is you want to
kind of have some type of structure.

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So think of how you're
gonna apply to the process.

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Describing the simple Google sheets or
Excel spreadsheet and kind of being like,

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where you've applied, what happened.

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And then just keeping track of
the results, because one of the things is

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you want to learn through the process,
right, especially if you get interviews.

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If you don't get anything, well,

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you can keep trying to tweak
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But if you get interviews and you want
to learn from the things that you didn't

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answer, right, so you want to keep
some some way of track of information.

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So the first thing is working
on your resume, right?

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I think, like I said,
I would have two resumes.

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One that you're gonna kind of shoot out to
some of these sites like the Monsters and

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those.

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And then one that you'll be
able to send to network, right?

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So that's just the first few,
you have to have that.

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Have projects, of course, these things
can be done in parallel, right?

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You want to have your projects,
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we wanna have them working, deployed.

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One thing that a lot of people forget
is go to the GitHub repositories.

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We are developers, so some people
will check and know about GitHub.

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So yes,
your page can look really nice, but

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some people will go to
the repo to see the code.

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So adding comments to your code, making
the readme, adding some information.

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Not everybody's gonna sign
up to your account, so

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just put a dummy account there.

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So people just when they look at
your site, they can try it out and

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they have a dummy login.

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So this is more maintenance, right,

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this is first thing before you kind of
jump into the actually looking for a job.

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The next process would be the search.

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I would apply to any jobs if
you're a junior developer, right?

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If you're a junior developer going
to try to get your first job,

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anything below two years is free game.

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A lot of companies have an idea of what
they want, but they put two years and

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two years is a good cut
off to apply to a job.

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>> If it says two years do you
go [INAUDIBLE] less than two?

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>> Yes, two year and below.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Yeah, less than equal to two years.

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Yeah, definitely,
you have a really good shot there.

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Above two years may be
a little bit harder.

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>> Okay.
>> Keyword search, right,

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if you're looking at LinkedIn,

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they have this keyword option that
you can kind of pick out keywords.

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So you wanna look for
front end developer, separate together.

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Cuz again, a lot of people load these
sites and they won't write front end,

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separate, they'll write it together.

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They'll write it with a dash.

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So try a lot of combinations of
these because you'll probably get

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different results.

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So now you have your pregame,
kinda have your searches.

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So you have the shotgun style,
which is just applying to all of them,

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which is kinda spraying and praying.

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>> So how many do you need to have
on your list to start the process?

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How many companies?

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>> Well, so
if you're doing spraying and praying,

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that's kind of like just praying for
the best.

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But if you are, the next would be
what are your ideal companies,

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right, or ideal type of companies?

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And there are the ones where you're
going to probably put your most effort.

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And there you wanna research the company,

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research if you can find the developers,
if you can find leads.

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And I've done this, and it does work,
not with everybody, but it does work.

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Cold emailing them, right?

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But just not cold emailing
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you gotta kinda sketch out a good email.

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Why do you like the company?

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Why do you like the company,
why do you think you're a good fit, right?

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And if you have some similar product or
some similar projects of that company,

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that's a great place to show it there and
be like, listen,

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this is what I did, right?

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That's a great way of kind of
getting your foot in the door.

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>> Got it.
>> And the last one is network.

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>> Okay,
>> The way that I've been able to kind of

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go through the process
has been networking.

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>> Got it,
how do you network during COVID?

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>> Yeah, so these events are great, right?

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I mean, I always try to look at
the bright side of things, right?

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A lot of events now have gone online,
right?

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Before you would have to travel to these
events and book a hotel, book a flight,

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plus the cost of the event itself.

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Now with COVID,
I think all of them have gone online.

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>> Yeah.

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>> So it's a great opportunity to
kind of join a lot of these chats.

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There's a lot of Slack channels open.

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And try to participate.

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Try to put as much information
out there as you can.

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One of the good things about the
development community is that it's very

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open, and that's always looking for help.

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It's always looking for
a lot of people to contribute.

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So contribute, and it can be small things.

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It can be very small things, but

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just trying to put yourself
out there as much as possible.

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>> Got it, so find something
that you're passionate about and

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try to contribute to it.

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A project or a movement or anything.

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>> Yeah, and one last thing is, so
again, going back to that experience,

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which is always hard to get that first
job, once you get that first job.

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So, I had a couple friends
who had a restaurant, right,

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with everything going on.

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They had to close,
they didn't have any presence online.

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So they were psyched for,

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we had a couple of students from the boot
camp do a couple of their sites.

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Very simple,
just a menu online that looks presentable.

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But that's a lot for
them because from nothing to that,

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that is a huge step forward.

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So that right there you have an actual
product that you can actually show.

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>> Right.
>> So trying to get as much experience as

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you can under the wings is gonna make you-
>> Gonna make you successful.

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So how long do people need to mentally

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prepare to go through this job search?

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Help set expectations here so
people don't quit too early.

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>> [COUGH] So first thing is,
well, all right,

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let's go pre-COVID because I had
a couple of good numbers pre-COVID.

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I'm still trying to adjust in COVID
because we're still in this whole

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pandemic.

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So pre-COVID, I said you can't expect that
anything below 90 days, is usually scammy,

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not real interviews, or really bad things
that they'll just pick anybody up and

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pay them at a really low wage.

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I mean, I've seen that,
I've gone through that.

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So anything below 90
days doesn't seem real.

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If you follow the process, apply and go
through this whole process of application,

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I think you'll start seeing some
results after about 90 days.

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Now it also does depend sometimes,
timing, right?

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December is a very dead month.

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So we're ready in October, so
we're thinking 90 days from now.

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We're looking to be in December.

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>> Yeah.

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>> All right, end of December.

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That's a dead month, right,
like the end of December.

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The first couple of weeks of
January is a dead month, so

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you gotta count for that as well.

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>> Got it, and is this after you've
completed your tech degree or

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boot camp, full time,
90 days of applying for jobs?

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Or is this just a couple hours a day?

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Help set expectations about the amount
of work during that 90 days?

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>> Well, so looking for
a job is a job, right?

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All, right so you-
>> That's a good way to put it.

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>> I mean, cuz that's what you
want is you want a job out of it.

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It's gonna take effort because you're
probably working on your portfolio,

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probably working on your resume.

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You're probably working
on crafting emails.

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I personally am not a big
fan of cover letters.

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It works for some people.

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For me it's never worked, maybe I'm
not good at writing cover letters.

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But making a good email has worked for
me, networking has worked for me.

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These things that we've talked
about have worked for me.

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So I would set yourself, again,
I'm really big in trying to schedule.

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So I would schedule myself a good chunk
of your day if your objective is to

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get a job.

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Set yourself a nine to five, literally,
like I said, getting a job is a job.

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So set yourself a nine to five, and in
that time, try to push the truck forward.

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Try to push everything
forward to get that job.

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>> I love it.

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Gosh, that's great advice.

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So I've got a couple more
questions to get through.

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And then we're already
getting some great questions.

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Just so you know in the audience,
we are monitoring your questions and

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I'll be asking all those
in about 20 minutes.

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So keep those questions coming and my team
will write those down and send them to me.

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All right, so next question I have for
you is you have a lot of experience

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among various companies as an engineer or
instructor.

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How have you leveraged
networking to land these roles?

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You talked about networking, but
what specific tips can you give?

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So you're at an online conference,
great, what do you do?

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How do you actually network?

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>> Yeah, so it depends on the events.

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So there's been a movement, right?

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Not all events are doing this.

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But I think some events have this
kinda like speed dating opportunity.

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That's really good cuz it kinda helps
give the opportunity to at least talk to

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somebody for x amount of time, right?

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So I think the best way of networking is
how do you make yourself available and

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how do you make yourself
useful to the other person?

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I think that's the rule of networking,
right?

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It's not so much what you could get out,
but it's usually what you can give.

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And in that process of giving, you end up
meeting, like I said, right, somebody or

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even a small restaurant or an owner of
a small restaurant that needs somebody to

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help them out with their website.

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And the fact that you can give may
lead to more referral and more jobs.

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So I would approach any networking
opportunity as what can I give

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to the person that I'm talking to?

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What is that person doing?

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How can I help in that
whatever field they're doing?

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And that just helps.

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So just going with that mindset.

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Cuz we go with the mindset of
what am I gonna get, right?

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It's normal, it's okay.

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But we tend to go with that mindset.

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So just switching our mindset
can take us a long way.

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>> Got it, so can you give
anybody some specific tactics.

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So say you're in one of these
speed dating scenarios, and

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everybody here is gonna have
an opportunity to do this.

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So hopping allows networking
when you get these.

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I think they're three-minute networking
sessions where it's a video call.

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Give folks some kinda opening lines or

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some ways that they can make those
networking sessions more successful.

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>> So craft out a 32nd elevator
pitch of yourself, right?

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So in 30 seconds, and

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then close it to 30 seconds,
cuz like you said, this is three minutes.

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So 30 seconds gives you enough
time to present yourself,

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say who you are, what you do,
what you're looking for, 30 seconds.

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Try to, especially at these events,
if you can have, again, a Bitly or

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any way of sharing your
information quickly.

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I know that people say, yeah, add me on
LinkedIn, but that sometimes works, but

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it tends to get lost.

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So keeping your things
as small as possible.

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If you can find yourself
a URL that's really small,

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then you can share it
with the other person.

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Will@x.com, boom, you probably know that.

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You can probably write that down and

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we can keep talking and
the conversation is positive.

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Listen, right, so ask questions.

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You wanna listen to the other person,
give the other persons also.

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And I know that some people
tend to be shy, right?

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I'm not so
shy sometimes in networking events.

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So just trying to tell me
a little bit about yourself, and

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actually listening is pretty good.

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>> I love that, those are great tips.

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Will pointed out something I think that's
important, a lot of us are introverts or

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feel intimidated by networking.

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I'm actually an introvert.

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The thought of a room of people
that I don't know terrifies me.

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And this secret is that actually good
networkers don't do most of the talking,

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right?

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So it's mostly listening.

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So if everyone listening, you can do
something really simple, like start

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with Will's super fast 30-second,
hey, just a little bit about me.

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And then immediately, you can launch
into what's something that you're

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really passionate about right now or
you're really excited about, right?

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Just kinda let that person, and
it could be garbage collection, right?

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00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:20,537
It doesn't really matter,
but then you just say, wow,

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garbage collection, tell me more, right?

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So you just get the other person talking,
and then they'll end up, that'll

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be a successful conversation and they'll
wanna keep connecting with you, right?

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So I would encourage everybody to not view

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that initial networking
chat as you needing

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to get them to offer you a job or
anything.

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You're basically selling another meeting,
right, another chat.

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Like, hey,
do you mind if I email you some time?

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Sure, yeah, okay, what's your email?

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So you kind of approach it as just getting
them to kinda smile, like you in step one.

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And then after that, you can go further.

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So I'm actually gonna post.

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There's something called mirroring,
and I talked about this a lot.

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Mirroring is a very effective
way to increase someone's

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liking of you and
the effectiveness of that conversation.

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And it sounds creepy, but
it's not, it's just kind of-

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>> [LAUGH]

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>> Fun to put that on the chat.

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Okay, so got some more questions for
you, all right.

456
00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:35,200
We talked about formatting
the resume a little bit.

457
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,742
Why don't you share a little bit more
specifics on what are the sections you

458
00:25:39,742 --> 00:25:43,580
think are important in that resume for
first time developers?

459
00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:49,920
>> So I think the first part of your
resume is your contact information.

460
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,591
Do not put your picture.

461
00:25:52,591 --> 00:25:54,585
In South America, it's really common for
people to put their picture.

462
00:25:54,585 --> 00:25:58,830
I do not know why, but
just provide your contact information.

463
00:25:58,830 --> 00:26:03,410
Don't put where you're from, specifically
now that a lot of jobs are remote.

464
00:26:03,410 --> 00:26:05,089
If they need to know, they'll ask you.

465
00:26:05,089 --> 00:26:07,714
I think just your basic
contact information,

466
00:26:07,714 --> 00:26:10,818
your portfolio link at the top,
really easy to get to.

467
00:26:10,818 --> 00:26:13,150
Small summary about yourself.

468
00:26:13,150 --> 00:26:15,730
Small summary of what you're looking for,
maybe just one or two sentence.

469
00:26:17,030 --> 00:26:18,975
I do like a section for skills.

470
00:26:18,975 --> 00:26:21,209
>> Okay.

471
00:26:21,209 --> 00:26:26,059
>> Usually, I tend to have it at the top,
again, so you can really quickly see.

472
00:26:26,059 --> 00:26:29,210
Because either I would load it
up with the skills that, again,

473
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:31,180
we just talked about earlier, right?

474
00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:33,786
If it's trying to load them or highlight
them or figure out a way to kinda show

475
00:26:33,786 --> 00:26:36,366
them a little bit brighter the skills
that have to do with that particular.

476
00:26:36,366 --> 00:26:39,174
React if we're talking about job,
Node, TypeScript, right,

477
00:26:39,174 --> 00:26:40,716
if we're talking about specific.

478
00:26:40,716 --> 00:26:44,899
>> A list of skills or, well,
be more specific around that.

479
00:26:44,899 --> 00:26:48,575
>> I'll do bullet points,
I'll do bullet points about them, right?

480
00:26:48,575 --> 00:26:50,520
>> Okay.

481
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,399
>> And then, again, if I'm trying to
just apply to one of these systems that

482
00:26:54,399 --> 00:26:58,560
are just doing it online, I'll try to
load a couple more keywords in there.

483
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,399
That's probably the section
that I'm gonna try to look.

484
00:27:00,399 --> 00:27:01,431
>> Okay.

485
00:27:01,431 --> 00:27:05,935
>> Then I would do your work experience,
if you have work experience.

486
00:27:05,935 --> 00:27:08,010
If you don't have work experience,
your projects.

487
00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:08,630
>> Okay.

488
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:10,661
>> Right, and then your projects, and

489
00:27:10,661 --> 00:27:14,276
then a little description of what
your project is, what it does.

490
00:27:14,276 --> 00:27:16,120
I'd like to keep resumes to one page.

491
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:19,435
So we're gonna try to keep
everything very simple there.

492
00:27:19,435 --> 00:27:22,674
And then in your projects,
if they're hosted,

493
00:27:22,674 --> 00:27:26,260
the link,
also the technology that you used.

494
00:27:26,260 --> 00:27:30,934
So if you did a project with JQuery and
some CSS and some framework,

495
00:27:30,934 --> 00:27:33,281
put all that information there.

496
00:27:33,281 --> 00:27:37,800
Again, you wanna load it with as
much technical detail as you can.

497
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,599
>> Okay, and-
>> And then so-

498
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:42,048
>> At least two to three good projects,

499
00:27:42,048 --> 00:27:43,600
right, that are finished?

500
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,550
>> Yeah.
>> And polished.

501
00:27:44,550 --> 00:27:45,260
>> Finished.

502
00:27:45,260 --> 00:27:45,888
>> Okay.
>> And

503
00:27:45,888 --> 00:27:48,520
then the keyword there would be finished.

504
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,232
>> Yeah.

505
00:27:49,232 --> 00:27:52,324
>> And polished ideally,
yes, looking decent.

506
00:27:52,324 --> 00:27:53,130
>> Okay.

507
00:27:53,130 --> 00:27:57,677
>> And then at the end,
any additional information that you think.

508
00:27:57,677 --> 00:28:00,467
So maybe something fun to talk about,
a good talking point like a hobby or

509
00:28:00,467 --> 00:28:01,960
something like that.

510
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,160
Mostly, I usually add that to the resumes
that I'm gonna hand or send to people.

511
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,189
So then when they see it,

512
00:28:07,189 --> 00:28:10,046
it does sometimes opens a talking
point like, you like soccer.

513
00:28:10,046 --> 00:28:12,627
And you can kinda have an easier
conversation from there with

514
00:28:12,627 --> 00:28:13,340
the interview.

515
00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:17,249
>> Got it, okay, perfect,
and one page, right?

516
00:28:17,249 --> 00:28:18,224
>> I keep to one page, yeah.

517
00:28:18,224 --> 00:28:24,990
>> One page, and PDF,
Google Doc, what is it?

518
00:28:24,990 --> 00:28:29,738
So if you keep it in PDF format,
it's just easier to share.

519
00:28:29,738 --> 00:28:31,477
It doesn't move around.

520
00:28:31,477 --> 00:28:34,610
I think at this point,
everybody has a PDF reader.

521
00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:37,455
And I think PDF is also smaller
when you share it as well.

522
00:28:37,455 --> 00:28:40,005
>> Got it, so Will mentioned something and

523
00:28:40,005 --> 00:28:44,057
everyone attending want you to hear this,
that is a great idea.

524
00:28:44,057 --> 00:28:51,175
He talked about doing a website for
a local restaurant or something like that.

525
00:28:51,175 --> 00:28:54,387
We talked about this in our
Treehouse Festival session.

526
00:28:54,387 --> 00:28:58,872
And my team, can you link to that video,
where we specifically talked

527
00:28:58,872 --> 00:29:03,603
about job search tactics so all
the students can go watch that after this?

528
00:29:03,603 --> 00:29:09,180
But what we talked about is
essentially creating your experience.

529
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:12,042
And the way to do that is, Will,

530
00:29:12,042 --> 00:29:16,813
what you said,
you basically find an organization or

531
00:29:16,813 --> 00:29:21,382
a small business in your
area that needs a website.

532
00:29:21,382 --> 00:29:26,293
And you go to them and say, hey,
I'm getting to the industry,

533
00:29:26,293 --> 00:29:28,991
can I build you that site for free?

534
00:29:28,991 --> 00:29:34,280
At first, right, I'm just building my
experience, and most people say yes.

535
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,840
And then you do that, and then you've
got a real live project, right?

536
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:44,063
And then what you can do is find
something you're passionate about,

537
00:29:44,063 --> 00:29:49,211
like a church, a synagogue,
a mosque, a movement, a nonprofit.

538
00:29:49,211 --> 00:29:52,220
Anything you're passionate about,
they probably need help.

539
00:29:52,220 --> 00:29:54,487
They probably need a better website.

540
00:29:54,487 --> 00:29:57,760
Go to them and say, hey, how can I help?

541
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,212
And then that second project could be
something you're truly passionate about,

542
00:30:01,212 --> 00:30:04,480
which shows Proactivity,
it shows integrity,

543
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,544
it shows all those other traits
then players are gonna look for.

544
00:30:08,544 --> 00:30:14,362
So you could say I built a site for
this nonprofit that I'm passionate about,

545
00:30:14,362 --> 00:30:19,480
the skills I used to do that,
it kinda goes that next level.

546
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,040
And it essentially hides your
lack of paid experience, right.

547
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,227
We're trying to show you're doing
real things, like Will said,

548
00:30:27,227 --> 00:30:29,220
doing is what matters.

549
00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:32,840
But you don't have to have that,
you don't have to have that.

550
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,550
I've been paid for
two years as a front end developer.

551
00:30:36,550 --> 00:30:38,040
Experience, you can do that without that.

552
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,830
So I just want to kind
of drop that in there.

553
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:45,001
Do you want to kind of build
on any of that, Will, or?

554
00:30:45,001 --> 00:30:46,899
>> Yeah, so
I'll give you a couple of examples.

555
00:30:46,899 --> 00:30:49,276
When the Muslim ban happened
a couple of years ago,

556
00:30:49,276 --> 00:30:51,440
I remember a couple of
my students went to JFK.

557
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,357
They made a very simple site,
jQuery, very basic, and

558
00:30:54,357 --> 00:30:58,331
all it was doing was allowing people to
know if somebody I think was stopped or

559
00:30:58,331 --> 00:31:00,800
not in the airport or couldn't get out.

560
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,750
Pretty much a simple list.

561
00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:09,140
Very simple, but again,
it's that idea of proactivity.

562
00:31:09,140 --> 00:31:13,170
Take a second also, it's good to
do the reverse experience, right.

563
00:31:13,170 --> 00:31:15,630
So you look at it from the developer
point of view, I'm looking for a job.

564
00:31:15,630 --> 00:31:17,463
Take a minute also and
go to the business perspective and

565
00:31:17,463 --> 00:31:18,990
look at it from the business side.

566
00:31:18,990 --> 00:31:20,130
Who would I want to hire?

567
00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:22,300
Ask yourself that question,
would I want to hire myself?

568
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:24,462
What do I need to do or
what does that person need to do for

569
00:31:24,462 --> 00:31:26,810
that person to become hireable, right?

570
00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:29,975
So not only skills, right, which you can
pick up and a lot of places are okay with

571
00:31:29,975 --> 00:31:33,910
you not knowing because most likely you're
gonna have to pick up some new technology.

572
00:31:33,910 --> 00:31:36,210
So they want to see that you have
the capability of picking things up.

573
00:31:36,210 --> 00:31:38,996
So if you have two or three projects
with different things on them or

574
00:31:38,996 --> 00:31:42,840
using different libraries, shows you
that capability of picking things up.

575
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,520
But also, I rather have a person that's,
like you said, proactive.

576
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,355
Right, that will go ahead and try to, I
don't have the experience, but hey, look,

577
00:31:50,355 --> 00:31:52,485
I did a website for XYZ,
I did this, I did that,

578
00:31:52,485 --> 00:31:55,380
that person shows that they
wanna keep moving forward.

579
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:58,812
And sometimes when you kinda have
a toss up between two people,

580
00:31:58,812 --> 00:32:02,720
I would rather always take somebody
that shows this productivity.

581
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,200
So yeah.
>> Absolutely, okay, great.

582
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,410
We're gonna get to questions
in about eight minutes.

583
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:12,410
So let's though jump to the first
actual interview, right.

584
00:32:12,410 --> 00:32:16,249
So we've said, okay,
you finished your curriculum,

585
00:32:16,249 --> 00:32:19,800
build your two to three real projects.

586
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,311
Make sure that they look good and
they're finished.

587
00:32:24,311 --> 00:32:28,270
Get your resume built out and
start applying and treat it as a job.

588
00:32:28,270 --> 00:32:29,870
It's going to be hard work for 90 days.

589
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:32,840
Okay, so they've done that,
they finally get their first interview.

590
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,630
Give us some tips for
that first interview, which is terrifying.

591
00:32:39,020 --> 00:32:40,857
>> Yeah, so the first, all right, so

592
00:32:40,857 --> 00:32:43,570
I like to talk to people
how people approach things.

593
00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:45,602
So first think that you're gonna fail.

594
00:32:45,602 --> 00:32:49,262
I mean it sounds completely
counterintuitive, but think that you're

595
00:32:49,262 --> 00:32:53,580
going to fail because the first couple
of interviews, you are nervous, right.

596
00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:56,749
I don't think there's anything I can say
to stop you from being nervous cuz it's

597
00:32:56,749 --> 00:32:59,750
your first interview, you don't know
what you're getting into, right.

598
00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:04,311
So you don't know what you're gonna get
asked, so you just have that nervousness.

599
00:33:04,311 --> 00:33:05,527
And I'm not gonna lie to you and like,

600
00:33:05,527 --> 00:33:07,860
I'm gonna tell you something
that's actually gonna go away.

601
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:11,870
No you're not, you're mostly gonna
still be nervous on that first spot.

602
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:15,019
So think that you're gonna fail because
it makes it all easier when you think,

603
00:33:15,019 --> 00:33:17,119
all right,
I'm not gonna pass this interview, but

604
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:19,949
I'm gonna use this interview as
a learning opportunity, all right.

605
00:33:19,949 --> 00:33:24,223
So I usually, a lot of my students,
specifically I know the first two or

606
00:33:24,223 --> 00:33:28,020
three interviews,
it's not gonna go that well for them.

607
00:33:28,020 --> 00:33:30,085
So if they approach it with another idea,

608
00:33:30,085 --> 00:33:32,273
with the idea of I'm
gonna learn from this.

609
00:33:32,273 --> 00:33:36,365
Any question I can't answer, I'm gonna
write it down, I'm gonna go back and

610
00:33:36,365 --> 00:33:37,111
research it.

611
00:33:37,111 --> 00:33:39,520
I'm gonna try different things.

612
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,381
And actually, it's been better,

613
00:33:41,381 --> 00:33:44,740
it's been giving better results
now then the other way around.

614
00:33:44,740 --> 00:33:46,720
So the first thing is you kinda
wanna go with that mentality.

615
00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:53,450
During the interview itself,
asking questions is really important.

616
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:57,313
I know this comes from a place that,
you have a job so

617
00:33:57,313 --> 00:34:01,260
it's easier to say this, but
you are gonna work there.

618
00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:05,624
So you do wanna ask questions, because the
worst thing that can happen is you end up

619
00:34:05,624 --> 00:34:08,770
working for a company,
you're there for three months.

620
00:34:08,770 --> 00:34:11,890
You don't like it, you have a bad boss or
the company doesn't meet your

621
00:34:11,890 --> 00:34:14,940
expectations, so then you're
gonna go back into the job hunt.

622
00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:16,570
So you really put 90 days of work.

623
00:34:16,570 --> 00:34:18,300
You don't really wanna throw it away,
right.

624
00:34:19,380 --> 00:34:23,329
And so you are interviewing,
they are interviewing you, yes, but

625
00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:26,330
you're also kind of
interviewing them as well.

626
00:34:26,330 --> 00:34:32,863
So asking questions,
have you guys kept your developers?

627
00:34:32,863 --> 00:34:34,450
Are your developers still working here?

628
00:34:34,450 --> 00:34:35,830
Does everybody leave in three months?

629
00:34:35,830 --> 00:34:41,101
Well that's probably a red flag, right.

630
00:34:41,101 --> 00:34:43,582
What's your process for junior developers?

631
00:34:43,582 --> 00:34:45,950
Do you guys pair them with
a senior developer or

632
00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:49,973
some type of mentoring program so they
can kind of learn and pick up new skills?

633
00:34:49,973 --> 00:34:52,817
Things like that where you want to ask
questions because you wanna keep growing

634
00:34:52,817 --> 00:34:53,430
as a developer.

635
00:34:54,740 --> 00:34:59,402
That first job, I've had a lot of
students that had a first remote job and,

636
00:34:59,402 --> 00:35:04,212
before COVID, right, this was a little
bit before COVID so remote wasn't,

637
00:35:04,212 --> 00:35:09,186
they've improved a lot in remote work,
but they had a really bad experiences.

638
00:35:09,186 --> 00:35:11,508
So bad experience that they think
development is not for me, and

639
00:35:11,508 --> 00:35:13,880
they probably completely went
back to whatever they were doing.

640
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,820
And that has to do a lot
with their first job.

641
00:35:16,888 --> 00:35:22,124
So asking questions,
the first couple of ones try to

642
00:35:22,124 --> 00:35:28,319
learn from your first couple of
interviews as much as you can.

643
00:35:28,319 --> 00:35:30,749
>> What are they gonna
ask you technically,

644
00:35:30,749 --> 00:35:34,846
I mean I imagine the scariest part is
are they gonna ask me to code live or

645
00:35:34,846 --> 00:35:37,632
are they gonna ask me to
do some whiteboarding?

646
00:35:37,632 --> 00:35:38,970
What should people be preparing for?

647
00:35:40,220 --> 00:35:43,497
>> So it depends kind of what type
of company you apply to, right.

648
00:35:43,497 --> 00:35:47,037
I think if you're going to the big
fangs or your Facebooks and all that,

649
00:35:47,037 --> 00:35:49,780
those tend to be heavy on whiteboarding.

650
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:54,260
If you're going to a medium sized company,
those tend to be more towards assigning

651
00:35:54,260 --> 00:35:58,940
new projects, like here have pick
a calendar picker and react from scratch.

652
00:35:58,940 --> 00:36:03,904
And if you go to smaller companies,
startups, they just tend to be more

653
00:36:03,904 --> 00:36:08,890
kind of interview process, questions,
maybe technical questions.

654
00:36:08,890 --> 00:36:13,530
They range from really complicated to very
simple, but the more classic ones are,

655
00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:17,904
if you're usually applying to a React
position, what is the virtual dom, for

656
00:36:17,904 --> 00:36:19,070
example.

657
00:36:19,070 --> 00:36:21,000
What's an API?

658
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,820
What are the lifecycle methods, right?

659
00:36:22,820 --> 00:36:26,301
Usually when you go applying for
like a React position,

660
00:36:26,301 --> 00:36:30,150
these are the more common
questions that you'll see.

661
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:36,380
How can you make or
can you write a simple button click?

662
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:40,094
Can you do a simple button
click with using React hooks?

663
00:36:40,094 --> 00:36:43,410
Because those are very
simple 30 minute question.

664
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:43,980
>> Got it.

665
00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:47,650
Is it appropriate to ask for
the agenda of the interview?

666
00:36:47,650 --> 00:36:50,070
What are we going to cover?

667
00:36:50,070 --> 00:36:53,872
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's again,
yeah, that's a really good point, yeah.

668
00:36:53,872 --> 00:36:55,220
What's gonna be the process?

669
00:36:55,220 --> 00:36:56,200
What are we gonna cover?

670
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,210
Who am I gonna talk to?

671
00:36:57,210 --> 00:37:00,869
That's also good, ask who you're gonna
talk to cuz then you can go turn around

672
00:37:00,869 --> 00:37:04,140
and do a quick research on that person and
see is this guy more of the HR,

673
00:37:04,140 --> 00:37:07,475
is this guy more of the developer,
what is he more leaning, right?

674
00:37:07,475 --> 00:37:09,725
So then you can kind of also
prepare a couple talking points.

675
00:37:09,725 --> 00:37:14,562
>> Right, and then next level is you
connect to them on LinkedIn and say, hey,

676
00:37:14,562 --> 00:37:18,342
I'm really excited to meet you
in the interview coming up,

677
00:37:18,342 --> 00:37:20,173
would love to connect here.

678
00:37:20,173 --> 00:37:23,756
And they're gonna go, whoa,
this person's proactive,

679
00:37:23,756 --> 00:37:27,062
they're emotional intelligence
is a little higher.

680
00:37:27,062 --> 00:37:33,508
Whatever you can do to affect that
potential outcome would be great.

681
00:37:33,508 --> 00:37:35,620
So all right, great.

682
00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:37,402
So we talked about the real interview.

683
00:37:37,402 --> 00:37:40,450
Some real life is going on right here,
my dog just came in.

684
00:37:40,450 --> 00:37:41,970
Hey Jackson,
can you call three way please?

685
00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:45,160
She will bark.

686
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,890
And can you close the door please?

687
00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:47,390
Thank you.

688
00:37:48,540 --> 00:37:49,850
It's my 12 year old, everybody.

689
00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:52,469
COVID, here we go.

690
00:37:52,469 --> 00:37:56,669
Okay, so thank you so much for
covering this process.

691
00:37:56,669 --> 00:38:01,418
So before we take questions in two
minutes, can you reiterate at a high

692
00:38:01,418 --> 00:38:05,445
level the playbook that we've
been discussing here from,

693
00:38:05,445 --> 00:38:10,930
okay, you've completed your credential or
your coding bootcamp.

694
00:38:10,930 --> 00:38:12,400
Walk us through real quick the high level.

695
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,920
Yeah, so
you want to have two resumes, right.

696
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,520
You want to have at least two
projects finished and looking decent.

697
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,095
You want to have some type of spreadsheet
where you can keep track of all your

698
00:38:27,095 --> 00:38:29,100
interviews and everywhere you apply to.

699
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,213
I wouldn't talk a lot about that, but
really quickly, what you want to do is

700
00:38:32,213 --> 00:38:35,620
every application you should put it into
your Excel spreadsheet or Google Sheets or

701
00:38:35,620 --> 00:38:36,750
whatever.

702
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:41,110
And keep track of where you are and
what status, that helps out a lot.

703
00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:43,924
Because sometimes some
jobs won't work out, but

704
00:38:43,924 --> 00:38:47,609
then they'll probably call you back or
they'll tell you, hey,

705
00:38:47,609 --> 00:38:50,698
you're almost there,
come back in maybe six months.

706
00:38:50,698 --> 00:38:53,775
So you want to log that so you can come
back three months, six months, whatever,

707
00:38:53,775 --> 00:38:56,780
and come back and apply again with a
little bit more knowledge and experience.

708
00:38:58,770 --> 00:39:03,673
When applying online, if you're applying
on one of these sites, try to load your

709
00:39:03,673 --> 00:39:07,937
resume with as many keywords applied
to places that are your two years,

710
00:39:07,937 --> 00:39:12,930
about two years or any job description
has a requirement of two years or less.

711
00:39:12,930 --> 00:39:14,790
That's a great opportunity for
a junior developer.

712
00:39:17,110 --> 00:39:21,606
Let me see here, cold emailing is in my
opinion it's not bad as long as you do it,

713
00:39:21,606 --> 00:39:26,850
again, professionally, right,
keep a good email, share your projects.

714
00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:29,310
So reaching out always shows productivity.

715
00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:32,722
The worst case scenario is that they
don't answer back, okay, that's it,

716
00:39:32,722 --> 00:39:34,160
end of the story there.

717
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,156
But the places that do answer back you
have a higher chance of being able to find

718
00:39:38,156 --> 00:39:38,720
that job.

719
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,890
So it's a great shot.

720
00:39:43,090 --> 00:39:45,753
And then, yeah, and then you have your
interview process, the first couple of

721
00:39:45,753 --> 00:39:48,780
ones are gonna be hard one so try to
take them as learning opportunities.

722
00:39:48,780 --> 00:39:52,175
Still give it your best, but try to keep
that in the back of your head that if you

723
00:39:52,175 --> 00:39:55,720
don't get the job in the first
couple of months, that's okay.

724
00:39:55,720 --> 00:40:00,010
It does happen, but
use it as opportunities of learning.

725
00:40:00,010 --> 00:40:02,160
Ask questions, try to find out the agenda.

726
00:40:03,646 --> 00:40:05,270
[COUGH]
>> Great.

727
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:06,370
>> And it's always good.

728
00:40:06,370 --> 00:40:09,487
I was like to get the end,
always send a thank you email.

729
00:40:09,487 --> 00:40:13,370
So it's just, thanks for
the time, it was pretty good.

730
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:18,170
Sometimes that, again, puts you in
the back of their heads that, if that

731
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:22,193
interview that they decided does not work
out, cuz the candidates can also back off.

732
00:40:22,193 --> 00:40:23,691
>> You could be the second choice and
that's totally fine.

733
00:40:23,691 --> 00:40:27,897
>> Yeah, gosh, those are great tips,
thanks for sharing them.

734
00:40:27,897 --> 00:40:28,590
[COUGH]
>> [COUGH]

735
00:40:28,590 --> 00:40:30,863
>> The other thing you mentioned was,

736
00:40:30,863 --> 00:40:33,299
hey this is 90 days of work, right?

737
00:40:33,299 --> 00:40:38,788
It's gonna be a lot of work
to get those interviews.

738
00:40:38,788 --> 00:40:43,050
And is it 90 days to get the job or
just to get the interviews?

739
00:40:43,050 --> 00:40:44,370
>> No, to get the interviews.

740
00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:46,601
To get the interviews.

741
00:40:46,601 --> 00:40:49,112
They're different processes
that take different times.

742
00:40:49,112 --> 00:40:53,017
But to start getting, in my opinion,
good interviews, is these 90 days.

743
00:40:53,017 --> 00:40:54,333
>> Okay, got it.

744
00:40:54,333 --> 00:40:56,302
All right,
we got a lot of great questions.

745
00:40:56,302 --> 00:41:00,400
We have probably 10 to 12 questions.

746
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,310
So we've got about 15, 16 minutes left.

747
00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:09,660
So about a minute per answer
is probably about right.

748
00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:12,834
Let's do this, all right, from Alyssa.

749
00:41:12,834 --> 00:41:15,869
They said, do you recommend applying for

750
00:41:15,869 --> 00:41:21,344
junior developer positions after
completing a tech degree or a boot camp?

751
00:41:21,344 --> 00:41:25,091
It seems every place requires years
of experience before one can become

752
00:41:25,091 --> 00:41:25,844
a developer.

753
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:34,568
>> So definitely finishing those things,
some of them give a certificate

754
00:41:34,568 --> 00:41:39,470
which is always good as a referencing
back as a point of knowledge.

755
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:44,310
Yeah, I would say yeah, finish them, it's
good, it shows, again, completion, right?

756
00:41:44,310 --> 00:41:45,216
There you go.

757
00:41:45,216 --> 00:41:46,703
>> Family, it's real.

758
00:41:46,703 --> 00:41:48,400
>> Family, yeah.

759
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,890
So do complete them, again, this idea
of finishing things is important.

760
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:54,920
So you always wanna show
that you finished, and

761
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,433
then everything else we talked about.

762
00:41:57,433 --> 00:41:58,010
>> I agree with that.

763
00:41:58,010 --> 00:42:01,633
And let's say you're not gonna have
the skills you need to apply until you

764
00:42:01,633 --> 00:42:02,520
finish, right?

765
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,237
So whatever curriculum or
credential you've chosen

766
00:42:06,237 --> 00:42:10,208
is designed to give you a complete
set of skills to apply.

767
00:42:10,208 --> 00:42:12,040
And the projects are gonna be important.

768
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,213
So yeah, I think Will and
I are both saying, complete it and

769
00:42:16,213 --> 00:42:18,562
then do that 90 day job search.

770
00:42:18,562 --> 00:42:22,522
From Diane, for your resume,
do you recommend putting in all your

771
00:42:22,522 --> 00:42:26,950
social media pages on there,
since they'll wanna know more about you?

772
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:29,088
For instance,
what if you have a YouTube channel, or

773
00:42:29,088 --> 00:42:31,430
Instagram account dedicated
to your developer journey?

774
00:42:33,037 --> 00:42:38,264
>> Yeah, so social media,
again, in context, right?

775
00:42:38,264 --> 00:42:41,269
If your social media is you and
your family, that's really nice,

776
00:42:41,269 --> 00:42:43,600
doesn't really add too much, to be honest.

777
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,204
But like you said, if you do have a
YouTube channel where you're logging your

778
00:42:46,204 --> 00:42:48,380
whole experience, yeah,
that's definitely a highlight.

779
00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:53,361
It lets the other person take a quick look
at who you are in an even better way, so

780
00:42:53,361 --> 00:42:55,587
yeah, I'd say of course
>> Okay.

781
00:42:55,587 --> 00:42:57,221
>> So social media in context,
that's that's what I'm saying.

782
00:42:57,221 --> 00:42:59,298
>> In context, yeah it's good.

783
00:42:59,298 --> 00:43:07,406
I would say there's a mixed
message a little bit.

784
00:43:07,406 --> 00:43:11,401
You wanna be yourself,
but at the same time,

785
00:43:11,401 --> 00:43:16,449
if you've got a lot of personal
stuff on your social media

786
00:43:16,449 --> 00:43:21,730
that could throw anybody off,
you wanna think about that.

787
00:43:21,730 --> 00:43:23,380
And we're saying, be who you are,

788
00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:26,240
you shouldn't have to be
a certain way to get hired.

789
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:31,600
But there is a fine line around what's the
right thing to put on social media or not.

790
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:38,900
I think If you're in doubt, don't
include it, which I hate, but all right.

791
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:42,231
From Liz E,
as a new entry level web developer,

792
00:43:42,231 --> 00:43:45,155
is it possible to find fully remote work?

793
00:43:47,156 --> 00:43:50,630
>> So it was a lot harder in January for
COVID.

794
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:55,743
Nowadays it's getting a lot easier,
it's definitely getting a lot easier.

795
00:43:55,743 --> 00:43:59,580
There's definitely a lot more demand.

796
00:43:59,580 --> 00:44:02,853
One of the questions, at least if
you were in an interview process for

797
00:44:02,853 --> 00:44:06,422
remote development, is to ask them
what their process is for onboarding.

798
00:44:06,422 --> 00:44:10,982
One of the things that I've seen is while
a lot of companies have gone remote,

799
00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:14,856
their on boarding processes is
still a little bit flaky, right?

800
00:44:14,856 --> 00:44:17,441
And that could just create some
difficulties when you're kind of

801
00:44:17,441 --> 00:44:18,710
onboarding and start working.

802
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:23,009
So I do think that it's becoming a lot
easier now than it was eight months ago,

803
00:44:23,009 --> 00:44:24,010
nine months ago.

804
00:44:24,010 --> 00:44:30,851
>> Okay, we have Treehouse students
around the world, not just in the US.

805
00:44:30,851 --> 00:44:32,562
When people are doing their job search,

806
00:44:32,562 --> 00:44:35,388
what they need to think about as
far as their country of residence?

807
00:44:35,388 --> 00:44:37,051
Do you have any guidelines of that?

808
00:44:39,934 --> 00:44:41,724
>> Would you mean when applying for
remote positions?

809
00:44:41,724 --> 00:44:44,709
>> Yeah, so
where is it just not worth applying,

810
00:44:44,709 --> 00:44:47,090
based on your country of residence?

811
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:52,320
>> So most of the time, you're gonna
wanna apply around the same, give or

812
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,288
take a couple of hours of your time zone,
all right?

813
00:44:55,288 --> 00:45:00,078
And even the places that do hire try
to also hire people around the same

814
00:45:00,078 --> 00:45:00,910
time zone.

815
00:45:00,910 --> 00:45:05,350
So, I'd keep that in mind, unless there's
a company that works around the clock.

816
00:45:05,350 --> 00:45:07,940
And then in that case,
it doesn't really matter.

817
00:45:07,940 --> 00:45:10,463
But most of the time it's
the timezone consideration,

818
00:45:10,463 --> 00:45:13,100
cuz they need to be aligned to
be able to interact with you.

819
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:15,884
So if you're on a completely
12 hour different time zone,

820
00:45:15,884 --> 00:45:18,737
it's just gonna make a lot harder for
you and for them as well.

821
00:45:18,737 --> 00:45:22,957
Cuz you also need to reach out and
have questions and things like that.

822
00:45:22,957 --> 00:45:26,294
I'd also keep it in mind, for myself as
well, not only for where I'm working, but

823
00:45:26,294 --> 00:45:26,855
for myself.

824
00:45:26,855 --> 00:45:32,084
>> Got it, and I would say that with all
of the uncertainty around H1B visas and

825
00:45:32,084 --> 00:45:34,710
all sorts of things going on in the US.

826
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:38,578
I think if you're a US citizen,
stick to US companies,

827
00:45:38,578 --> 00:45:43,120
if you're not a US citizen,
try to find work in your own country.

828
00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:45,788
It's gonna be hard for

829
00:45:45,788 --> 00:45:49,943
a lot of US companies to say
yes to foreign folks right now.

830
00:45:49,943 --> 00:45:52,270
Just be aware of that.

831
00:45:52,270 --> 00:45:57,313
>> And just to add to that,
the whole tax situation is always a thing.

832
00:45:57,313 --> 00:45:59,980
We can kinda forget about that,
but taxes can also be a headache.

833
00:45:59,980 --> 00:46:01,662
So let's keep that in mind as well.

834
00:46:01,662 --> 00:46:04,298
If you work outside, or even if you
work as sometimes contractors or

835
00:46:04,298 --> 00:46:05,050
things like that.

836
00:46:05,050 --> 00:46:06,960
>> Yeah, that's a good point to make.

837
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,813
All right, from Brigida, should we look
for internships before junior role?

838
00:46:15,805 --> 00:46:20,680
>> I have seen more internships,
though this summer was kind of crazy.

839
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,396
Even at the company where I work at,

840
00:46:22,396 --> 00:46:25,669
we didn't have internships this
summer with everything going on.

841
00:46:25,669 --> 00:46:30,275
So I think they were kind of
slow because of the situation.

842
00:46:30,275 --> 00:46:33,963
But I would definitely look for
internships, that's a great opportunity to

843
00:46:33,963 --> 00:46:37,840
be able, again, to try, to learn,
to add more to your portfolio, yeah.

844
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:38,652
>> Got it.

845
00:46:38,652 --> 00:46:41,463
>> And they are out there, by the way,
there are good internships out there.

846
00:46:41,463 --> 00:46:45,090
>> And what I guess was a big question
around, is it paid internship or not?

847
00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:48,430
Do you have any thoughts on whether you
should do it if it's paid or not paid?

848
00:46:49,770 --> 00:46:52,180
>> That depends on the person,
to be honest, right?

849
00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:56,401
If you can manage to take
an unpaid internship, right?

850
00:46:56,401 --> 00:47:00,400
And that's not gonna hurt you financially,
then I'd consider it.

851
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,430
But if it is, if you can't, I wouldn't,
I really wouldn't go through that.

852
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:08,559
And I'd probably try to maybe
push a little bit more and

853
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:09,859
try to find a paid job.

854
00:47:09,859 --> 00:47:12,866
>> Got it, okay, from Adrian.

855
00:47:12,866 --> 00:47:17,563
Do you think that the ten projects on
the tech degree on Team Treehouse is

856
00:47:17,563 --> 00:47:21,727
enough to have a portfolio to
get a junior position developer?

857
00:47:21,727 --> 00:47:25,013
Well, I don't know if you know enough
about our projects to answer that.

858
00:47:25,013 --> 00:47:29,240
But they're pretty typical projects
similar to what you do at a boot camp.

859
00:47:31,150 --> 00:47:34,430
>> So, I would grab,
I mean ten is a lot of projects, right?

860
00:47:34,430 --> 00:47:37,551
So, I would pick out maybe two or three.

861
00:47:37,551 --> 00:47:44,418
Give them your own style,
maybe give them some more functionality.

862
00:47:44,418 --> 00:47:47,280
Give it your flavor, and
then put them on your resume.

863
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,350
Polish them a little bit more, yeah,
just focus on two or three, ten is a lot.

864
00:47:51,350 --> 00:47:53,958
You could share them, you can probably put
them on, if you have a personal portfolio,

865
00:47:53,958 --> 00:47:55,310
it's a great place to share them.

866
00:47:55,310 --> 00:47:57,004
But on your resume,
you just wanna share maybe two or three,

867
00:47:57,004 --> 00:47:57,779
that's more than enough.

868
00:47:57,779 --> 00:48:00,247
>> Good call, and Adrian,
just so you know,

869
00:48:00,247 --> 00:48:03,620
we've designed those projects
to start off very simple.

870
00:48:03,620 --> 00:48:07,856
So the first chunk of those projects
aren't gonna be advanced enough for

871
00:48:07,856 --> 00:48:09,740
you to showcase on your resume.

872
00:48:09,740 --> 00:48:12,111
It's really gonna be
the later ones anyway.

873
00:48:12,111 --> 00:48:16,079
So I would echo Will saying, choose
the last two or three, customize them,

874
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,010
really polish them, and use those.

875
00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:21,720
And even better,
use them for, like we said,

876
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:25,260
a local organization that
you're passionate for, right?

877
00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:27,310
So it's super real.

878
00:48:27,310 --> 00:48:32,063
So, from Patricia,
hello Will and Ryan, hello.

879
00:48:32,063 --> 00:48:35,467
What advice would you give someone
who's 40 plus entering this field for

880
00:48:35,467 --> 00:48:36,233
the first time?

881
00:48:39,804 --> 00:48:43,170
>> So leverage any previous
experience that you have, right?

882
00:48:43,170 --> 00:48:48,016
So you come into 40 plus,
you have some experience in some field,

883
00:48:48,016 --> 00:48:50,071
use that at your advantage.

884
00:48:50,071 --> 00:48:56,890
And it's kind of the thing is like,
development doesn't really discriminate.

885
00:48:56,890 --> 00:49:00,729
They talk a lot about ageism,
but I really haven't seen it.

886
00:49:00,729 --> 00:49:03,922
It could just have been that I
haven't seen it, it does exist,

887
00:49:03,922 --> 00:49:05,925
I'm not gonna say it's not out there.

888
00:49:05,925 --> 00:49:09,309
But I think now with remote work,
kind of moving business to remote work,

889
00:49:09,309 --> 00:49:10,902
it kind of opens the possibility.

890
00:49:10,902 --> 00:49:13,208
So I would try to leverage experience and

891
00:49:13,208 --> 00:49:16,425
I just kind of keep following
the process that we just talked about.

892
00:49:16,425 --> 00:49:19,661
>> Love it, I would echo that,
and also say, a good employer

893
00:49:19,661 --> 00:49:24,040
will actually realize you have life
experience and that's really valuable.

894
00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:30,926
So actually you have tremendous valuable
experience you should pull on, right?

895
00:49:30,926 --> 00:49:35,021
Like Will's saying, figure out how to talk
about that experience and actually use and

896
00:49:35,021 --> 00:49:35,850
as an event.

897
00:49:35,850 --> 00:49:38,814
>> One more comment,
just one more comment to that.

898
00:49:38,814 --> 00:49:40,123
When you're applying for a job,

899
00:49:40,123 --> 00:49:42,425
there's no need for
you to tell them your age, anywhere.

900
00:49:42,425 --> 00:49:43,190
>> Yep, good call.

901
00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:46,430
Great answer, thank you.

902
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:53,653
From Mel, this might be more question for
me, spin off of the internship question.

903
00:49:53,653 --> 00:49:58,830
Most of the ones I've seen and applied for
are asking what university I'm attending.

904
00:49:58,830 --> 00:50:00,921
Is it enough just to type in Treehouse?

905
00:50:00,921 --> 00:50:04,470
Or has anyone gotten an internship
with just a Treehouse and

906
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:06,194
In the education field.

907
00:50:06,194 --> 00:50:11,049
Lets say, if they're asking what
university you're attending,

908
00:50:11,049 --> 00:50:15,920
it's not gonna work to say that
you're a Treehouse student.

909
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,298
They're probably looking for
university students specifically and

910
00:50:20,298 --> 00:50:22,590
they probably will filter you out.

911
00:50:22,590 --> 00:50:27,341
So, I know that's an answer
you don't wanna hear, but

912
00:50:27,341 --> 00:50:30,890
that's probably what's gonna happen.

913
00:50:30,890 --> 00:50:33,864
I feel a little differently
than Will does and

914
00:50:33,864 --> 00:50:37,628
internships I think they're
generally not a good path.

915
00:50:37,628 --> 00:50:43,485
I would just go straight to your first
paid job, but I'm just being blunt.

916
00:50:43,485 --> 00:50:46,521
Treehouse, the projects you
build are gonna be great, but

917
00:50:46,521 --> 00:50:49,751
you need to use it in the framework
that Will's talking about.

918
00:50:49,751 --> 00:50:54,582
Relying upon the word Treehouse as your
education, is not gonna get you the job,

919
00:50:54,582 --> 00:50:55,090
right?

920
00:50:55,090 --> 00:50:56,490
It's the projects that matter.

921
00:50:57,770 --> 00:51:00,467
And if the internship is looking for
a university student, unfortunately,

922
00:51:00,467 --> 00:51:02,410
that's probably what they want.

923
00:51:02,410 --> 00:51:06,480
So I would just skip it and
go to the next one.

924
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,296
So, from Aaron,
what about freelancing as experience?

925
00:51:11,296 --> 00:51:15,569
>> Yeah, [COUGH] that's kind of these
free projects that we're talking about,

926
00:51:15,569 --> 00:51:18,540
could eventually become
freelance opportunities.

927
00:51:18,540 --> 00:51:20,820
So you make that website for
the restaurant we're talking about.

928
00:51:20,820 --> 00:51:22,540
They get new stuff on their menu.

929
00:51:22,540 --> 00:51:24,730
Well now, you got a job or whatnot.

930
00:51:24,730 --> 00:51:27,749
You have a little bit more experience so
that you can go back and be like, hey,

931
00:51:27,749 --> 00:51:30,890
we're gonna charge you for
this and there's nothing wrong.

932
00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:32,640
This is always a thing
with a lot of people.

933
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,900
There's nothing wrong with charging for
your work.

934
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:39,034
Also do a little bit of research on
what kind of the hourly rate is.

935
00:51:39,034 --> 00:51:42,560
Cuz, again, because we got excited and
it's normal, right?

936
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,506
We get excited we want
that first paycheck,

937
00:51:44,506 --> 00:51:46,665
we'll lowball ourselves
to whatever number and

938
00:51:46,665 --> 00:51:49,890
then what happens is our client will
just get accustomed to that number.

939
00:51:49,890 --> 00:51:51,690
It's gonna be really hard for
you to raise your price.

940
00:51:51,690 --> 00:51:55,389
So, the first time you can do it for free,
if they come back they need some work,

941
00:51:55,389 --> 00:51:58,317
go ahead, do a little research and
come back with more market,

942
00:51:58,317 --> 00:52:01,104
you can come a little lower,
but come with a market number.

943
00:52:01,104 --> 00:52:02,431
I see that happen a lot.

944
00:52:02,431 --> 00:52:03,812
>> Well then, thank you.

945
00:52:03,812 --> 00:52:08,332
From Armen, when making a portfolio do we
strictly need to invent our own code or

946
00:52:08,332 --> 00:52:10,895
can we use pieces of code
from other people and

947
00:52:10,895 --> 00:52:13,810
make a portfolio using all
these pieces together?

948
00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:18,970
Yeah, in development we're
not reinventing the wheel.

949
00:52:18,970 --> 00:52:21,679
So, it's not so
much as you're copying code,

950
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:25,220
it's how you're using this code together,
right?

951
00:52:25,220 --> 00:52:26,650
Same thing with music, right?

952
00:52:26,650 --> 00:52:32,590
There is no new notes, it's a combination
of notes and we get new music, right?

953
00:52:32,590 --> 00:52:34,268
So same idea, same concept.

954
00:52:34,268 --> 00:52:35,288
>> Appreciate that.

955
00:52:35,288 --> 00:52:38,304
I think just [CROSSTALK] go ahead.

956
00:52:38,304 --> 00:52:38,968
>> Yeah, I forgot.

957
00:52:38,968 --> 00:52:42,521
Just to add to that, just make sure you
understand the code that you are doing.

958
00:52:42,521 --> 00:52:44,113
>> Yes.
>> Because if somebody comes back and

959
00:52:44,113 --> 00:52:46,650
ask you about something, about
a piece of code, why did you use this?

960
00:52:46,650 --> 00:52:47,196
What do you use that?

961
00:52:47,196 --> 00:52:50,060
You wanna give,
you wanna be able to provide an answer.

962
00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:54,540
>> Amen, yeah, that's vital,
to be able to do that.

963
00:52:54,540 --> 00:52:58,400
From Raphael, I'm someone changing
careers and learning by a Treehouse.

964
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,818
What should I be prepared for

965
00:52:59,818 --> 00:53:03,430
in a technical style interview if
I'm applying for junior deposition?

966
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:06,700
We talked a little bit about that, but
why don't you reiterate that real quick?

967
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:08,991
>> So, you can expect other whiteboarding,
right?

968
00:53:08,991 --> 00:53:11,536
And most of whiteboarding is probably
gonna be some type of algorithm.

969
00:53:11,536 --> 00:53:16,381
So I would study up, I would go
through the process of learning,

970
00:53:16,381 --> 00:53:18,464
reading a couple of books.

971
00:53:18,464 --> 00:53:23,400
The Cracking the Coding interview is
a pretty good one off the top of my head,

972
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:24,957
Breathing Clean Code.

973
00:53:24,957 --> 00:53:27,155
I think one is called
JavaScript Samurai I believe.

974
00:53:27,155 --> 00:53:33,428
Just researching, getting, on white
boarding you would expect probably that.

975
00:53:33,428 --> 00:53:36,841
I would use some of these platforms that
kinda give you a couple of problems and

976
00:53:36,841 --> 00:53:37,850
try to do it yourself.

977
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,610
Code Kata, I think, or Lead Code or
some of these things, try to practice.

978
00:53:43,610 --> 00:53:45,376
So, building projects is
gonna give you practice.

979
00:53:45,376 --> 00:53:47,491
Try to actually go through
practicing projects.

980
00:53:47,491 --> 00:53:49,930
All these things are the things that
will add you up and will make you,

981
00:53:49,930 --> 00:53:52,080
make it a lot easier when
you go to these interviews.

982
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,480
>> Great, thank you.

983
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,540
We'll try to blaze through
the rest of these.

984
00:53:55,540 --> 00:53:57,140
We're getting low on time.

985
00:53:57,140 --> 00:53:59,968
From Alyssa,
could we hear more about cold emailing,

986
00:53:59,968 --> 00:54:02,430
how do you recommend
approaching this tactic?

987
00:54:03,570 --> 00:54:07,643
>> Yeah, so, you wanna research
the company that you wanna apply to,

988
00:54:07,643 --> 00:54:10,860
you wanna research the people
that make decisions.

989
00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:14,183
Or you probably wanna find the people that
make decisions on the development team,

990
00:54:14,183 --> 00:54:16,090
cuz that's probably where you're applying.

991
00:54:16,090 --> 00:54:19,800
I would try to tailor the email to,
again, to what they do.

992
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,020
Present yourself.

993
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:25,002
And try to find a project or try to find
some type of code, or something that you

994
00:54:25,002 --> 00:54:28,558
can share with them and being not only
sure your interests as to why you

995
00:54:28,558 --> 00:54:33,230
want to play, but also look a little bit
more of that effort that we talked about.

996
00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:34,520
And that would be great.

997
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,422
And sometimes it's very easy to just
do a simple inspect on their page and

998
00:54:37,422 --> 00:54:38,480
they have a little error.

999
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:39,780
And you just highlight that, right?

1000
00:54:39,780 --> 00:54:42,040
Just again,
bringing some points of conversation.

1001
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,110
So they can see that you're not only
vested in them, but you you really,

1002
00:54:46,110 --> 00:54:48,394
really want to be a part of that company.

1003
00:54:48,394 --> 00:54:50,585
>> Love it.
Thank you.

1004
00:54:50,585 --> 00:54:56,277
From Adam, has anyone devalued the way
you gain your knowledge of programming?

1005
00:54:56,277 --> 00:55:00,260
Are there companies that don't believe
in boot-camps and online learning

1006
00:55:00,260 --> 00:55:01,955
>> Yeah, yeah there are, but

1007
00:55:01,955 --> 00:55:06,393
there's all types of people in
the world so it doesn't really matter.

1008
00:55:06,393 --> 00:55:07,357
>> Got it.

1009
00:55:07,357 --> 00:55:08,410
How can you tell?

1010
00:55:08,410 --> 00:55:10,606
How can you avoid those companies.

1011
00:55:10,606 --> 00:55:15,055
>> I mean, I don't.

1012
00:55:15,055 --> 00:55:17,075
>> You can look at
the people that work there.

1013
00:55:17,075 --> 00:55:18,297
That would be a great way.

1014
00:55:18,297 --> 00:55:21,445
See if you can see people that do
have boot-camp experience or not.

1015
00:55:21,445 --> 00:55:24,785
That would be a great tell, or maybe if
they all come from a CS background and

1016
00:55:24,785 --> 00:55:26,868
they're most likely only
one people with CS.

1017
00:55:26,868 --> 00:55:29,847
It does happen, but
there's a bunch of companies out there so

1018
00:55:29,847 --> 00:55:31,461
I'm gonna really worry move on.

1019
00:55:31,461 --> 00:55:32,640
It wouldn't take my sleep.

1020
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,495
>> Okay, great.

1021
00:55:35,850 --> 00:55:39,180
I'm a beginner, but I'm really enjoying
and appreciating Team Treehouse.

1022
00:55:39,180 --> 00:55:39,940
Thanks, Lisa.

1023
00:55:39,940 --> 00:55:43,370
Thank you so much for
this informative session.

1024
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:45,620
Does age matter when applying for
employment?

1025
00:55:45,620 --> 00:55:47,917
If so,
how can [INAUDIBL E]she says Thankyou.

1026
00:55:47,917 --> 00:55:48,929
issue.
Thank you

1027
00:55:48,929 --> 00:55:50,746
>> It shouldn't, really it shouldn't.

1028
00:55:50,746 --> 00:55:53,310
Again, there's no need for
them to ask your age.

1029
00:55:54,590 --> 00:55:59,280
>> Yep, I think your situation and
they can see how old you are.

1030
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,592
Use that to your advantage,
whether its young or old,

1031
00:56:03,592 --> 00:56:07,266
pull on that tank strength
versus a weakness.

1032
00:56:07,266 --> 00:56:09,628
Let's tackle two more.

1033
00:56:09,628 --> 00:56:13,520
From Adam, How do you manage the workload
while still working a nine-to-five and

1034
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:14,920
learning new technologies?

1035
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,576
>> For me, it was scheduling.

1036
00:56:18,576 --> 00:56:22,235
Of course,
you have to find a process, right?

1037
00:56:22,235 --> 00:56:23,105
That works.

1038
00:56:23,105 --> 00:56:26,435
For me It was just scheduling,
scheduling my time as best as possible.

1039
00:56:26,435 --> 00:56:30,151
So, and
kind of focusing on that time, right?

1040
00:56:30,151 --> 00:56:33,941
If you said you're gonna work for two
hours or whatever, at night, turn off your

1041
00:56:33,941 --> 00:56:38,830
phone, turn off your social media and just
dedicate yourself for that amount of time.

1042
00:56:38,830 --> 00:56:43,710
>> How do they interview, so, Leanne said,
how do they do interviews for remote work?

1043
00:56:43,710 --> 00:56:44,790
Is it on Zoom?

1044
00:56:44,790 --> 00:56:46,472
I've only heard about
interviews in person and

1045
00:56:46,472 --> 00:56:49,050
they literally watch you build whatever
they want you to build for them.

1046
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:51,620
>> Very similar.

1047
00:56:51,620 --> 00:56:54,850
I've actually gone through
that process recently.

1048
00:56:54,850 --> 00:56:56,070
So, a lot of it is online.

1049
00:56:56,070 --> 00:56:58,922
There's a couple of code editors online
where the other person can look at

1050
00:56:58,922 --> 00:56:59,527
what you type.

1051
00:56:59,527 --> 00:57:03,219
And then you got your classic Zoom call,
and you're both on a Zoom call and

1052
00:57:03,219 --> 00:57:06,400
kinda going over this code editor and
building something.

1053
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,000
>> Got it.
>> Yeah.

1054
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,190
>> Okay, cool.

1055
00:57:08,190 --> 00:57:10,080
Well, that's all we have time for.

1056
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,620
Thank you so much for
spending your valuable time with us.

1057
00:57:14,620 --> 00:57:18,319
Any parting message you
wanna give anybody.

1058
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:21,240
>> Imposter syndrome exists.

1059
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:22,380
Just wanna let everybody know.

1060
00:57:22,380 --> 00:57:25,320
So, I just went through
an overview right now.

1061
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,960
Just again,
like to keep conversations and things.

1062
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,890
And you always feel imposter syndrome,

1063
00:57:31,890 --> 00:57:36,250
you're always gonna feel
like you're not there yet.

1064
00:57:36,250 --> 00:57:39,290
Even with the amount of experience I have,
I still get that feeling.

1065
00:57:39,290 --> 00:57:41,240
You just learn to kind
of control that monster.

1066
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:42,303
I know that it's gonna come,

1067
00:57:42,303 --> 00:57:45,320
it's going to rear its head every
time you want to try something new.

1068
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,036
It doesn't go away, but
you learn to know that it exists.

1069
00:57:48,036 --> 00:57:52,104
So, I just wanna leave everybody with some
advice, it's just, it's not gonna go away.

1070
00:57:52,104 --> 00:57:53,358
You're gonna learn to tame it.

1071
00:57:53,358 --> 00:57:58,580
And coding is about doing,
coding is about grinding.

1072
00:57:58,580 --> 00:58:00,450
It's not so much about memory.

1073
00:58:00,450 --> 00:58:02,140
It's not so much about being smart.

1074
00:58:02,140 --> 00:58:03,940
It is about effort.

1075
00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:05,300
It is about, you gotta keep going.

1076
00:58:05,300 --> 00:58:06,100
You gonna hit a couple of walls.

1077
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:06,753
It's gonna get frustrating.

1078
00:58:06,753 --> 00:58:07,889
That's not gonna change, but

1079
00:58:07,889 --> 00:58:09,907
just keep going there is light
at the end of the tunnel.

1080
00:58:09,907 --> 00:58:12,486
>> Amen.
>> And everybody can do it, yeah.

1081
00:58:12,486 --> 00:58:13,800
>> Thank you Will.