1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,760 [? music ?] [Treehouse Friends] 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:10,560 [Pasan Premaratne] Here at Treehouse, one of our missions is to get our students into jobs. 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,790 Learning to code, while a big part of this challenge isn't all of it. 4 00:00:14,790 --> 00:00:17,450 Today we're going to be talking to Rachel Parsons. 5 00:00:17,450 --> 00:00:24,660 [Rachel Parsons] Rachel is currently a consultant iOS developer but has held many positions in different companies in a range of skill sets. 6 00:00:24,660 --> 00:00:28,300 So I thought we could ask her what it means to be job ready. 7 00:00:28,300 --> 00:00:29,650 Let's take a look. 8 00:00:29,650 --> 00:00:33,450 So, Rachel, thank you for taking the time to do this with us today. 9 00:00:33,450 --> 00:00:35,130 How are you doing? 10 00:00:35,130 --> 00:00:35,780 I'm good. 11 00:00:35,780 --> 00:00:37,260 Thanks for having me on. 12 00:00:37,260 --> 00:00:38,210 Yeah, absolutely. 13 00:00:39,300 --> 00:00:41,510 To start, tell us a little bit about yourself. 14 00:00:41,510 --> 00:00:49,980 Well, I've been developing apps on various platforms, primarily web, since the mid 90s. 15 00:00:49,980 --> 00:00:56,540 I got into web development then and really found my passion for programming, mainly on the front end. 16 00:00:56,540 --> 00:01:01,750 I dabbled a bit in the back end in college and throughout my career. 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:12,970 I've really found that my specialization comes on front end development with an emphasis on either web and, more recently, mobile. 18 00:01:12,970 --> 00:01:13,900 >> Okay. 19 00:01:13,900 --> 00:01:21,030 Not so much desktop, but I've written in just about every language you can think of—.NET, Java, CE— 20 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:22,510 writing iOS apps now. 21 00:01:22,510 --> 00:01:24,650 I've done Android—all of the above. 22 00:01:24,650 --> 00:01:30,050 What kind of made you jump around rather than—you know—do you have a favorite language 23 00:01:30,050 --> 00:01:34,790 or do you just like kind of exploring different areas? 24 00:01:34,790 --> 00:01:40,540 >> I like being diverse, and I like learning a lot. 25 00:01:40,540 --> 00:01:46,640 I have a tendency to get bored with the same project and the same problems and the same solutions. 26 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:54,720 So I found that what has kept me most diverse is trying to be innovative with the technologies I have available 27 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:04,310 and finding new solutions for old problems or finding new innovative ways to apply old technology to new problems. 28 00:02:04,310 --> 00:02:06,130 >> Gotcha. 29 00:02:06,130 --> 00:02:13,840 So when I was kind of looking you up, I noticed that you had done a lot of different things and different languages— 30 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,790 big companies, small companies, consulting. 31 00:02:16,790 --> 00:02:22,190 The theme for today's discussion is being job ready. 32 00:02:22,190 --> 00:02:26,750 We have a lot of students here at Treehouse who go through our curriculum and learn to code, 33 00:02:26,750 --> 00:02:30,890 whether its for iOS, Android, and you can speak to all of these areas. 34 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:36,880 Then they kind of look to what's the next—look at what the next step is. 35 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,970 You've been in the industry awhile and you've—you know—been in a bunch of different roles, 36 00:02:41,970 --> 00:02:46,230 so I wanted to talk to you about what you think being job ready means. 37 00:02:48,110 --> 00:02:54,530 >> Being job ready—that's a tough one because it encompasses so much. 38 00:02:55,010 --> 00:03:03,810 I think one of the keys to being job ready in the technical world is be ready to learn and be ready to focus. 39 00:03:04,660 --> 00:03:15,680 Despite the fact that I've had a pretty diverse technology experience or skill set, I have always focused at least some of my energy— 40 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,950 some amount of time to a technology. 41 00:03:18,950 --> 00:03:22,950 So it's really rare that I'm doing .NET and Java at the same time. 42 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,990 I spent probably 5 years doing .NET and web development, specifically, 43 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:37,270 so taking—being prepared to devote 2 to 3 years to a technology, at least, if not longer, is really important. 44 00:03:37,270 --> 00:03:38,770 Then being ready to learn. 45 00:03:38,770 --> 00:03:45,410 You really have to be a fast learner if you're going to be in technology these days because it does move fast. 46 00:03:45,410 --> 00:03:49,680 The JavaScript framework you use today is not the one you will use in 6 months. 47 00:03:50,270 --> 00:04:00,240 Part of that is just the changing landscape of mobile, of desktop, and just the many different directions you can go. 48 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:09,700 So to be job ready, I think those 2 things are really important and that will help guide you on the path that you are meant to travel. 49 00:04:09,700 --> 00:04:14,890 So you mentioned that for the technical side. 50 00:04:14,890 --> 00:04:21,649 So what about—how important do you think are soft skills and are they necessary? 51 00:04:21,649 --> 00:04:26,380 Things like—you know—networking and some of the cliched ones. 52 00:04:26,380 --> 00:04:29,080 But just—you know—being able to work with teams. 53 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:34,550 How important are those things, and how can someone who doesn't go to a traditional school— 54 00:04:34,550 --> 00:04:36,170 who uses something like Treehouse— 55 00:04:36,170 --> 00:04:40,890 how can they shore up those skills to kind of prove that they're ready to enter the workforce? 56 00:04:40,890 --> 00:04:42,560 >> Yeah—sure. 57 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:52,490 Soft skills are paramount, especially in the absence of extensive experience or in-depth technical skills. 58 00:04:52,490 --> 00:04:58,920 That can actually put an employer over the edge as far as, yes, I'm going to hire that person. 59 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,790 Because anybody can learn technical skills, as you guys are fully aware, 60 00:05:02,790 --> 00:05:10,530 anybody can pick up a book or sign up for a tutorial and learn Java or learn Objective-C. 61 00:05:10,530 --> 00:05:13,980 But what it comes down to really is being able to interact with people. 62 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:16,830 You have to be able to talk to customers. 63 00:05:16,830 --> 00:05:27,180 You have to be able to hold a conversation to present good ideas, to present bad ideas to clients, 64 00:05:27,180 --> 00:05:32,430 and in software development everybody is your client, whether you're full-time or a consultant. 65 00:05:32,430 --> 00:05:34,160 Everybody is a customer. 66 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:45,130 So you're constantly playing somewhat of a sales role whenever you're trying to push a feature or encourage a user to go a certain direction 67 00:05:45,130 --> 00:05:47,970 with an implementation or architecture decision. 68 00:05:47,970 --> 00:05:50,580 Those communication skills are paramount. 69 00:05:50,580 --> 00:05:53,280 Presentation skills are really important. 70 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:55,290 Then, enthusiasm. 71 00:05:55,290 --> 00:06:04,500 I think I have gotten at least 1 or 2 jobs based on my enthusiasm alone because that goes a long way from the hum-drum— 72 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:07,550 you know—here I am doing some software—that's no fun. 73 00:06:07,550 --> 00:06:12,220 We all want to have at least a little bit of fun and energy at work. 74 00:06:12,220 --> 00:06:20,070 Finding something that you're passionate about and bringing that passion to your work—that could take you so much further. 75 00:06:21,190 --> 00:06:27,110 Now can you talk about how—you know—do you know of any ways people can improve—can gain these skills? 76 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:29,070 How can you learn these skills? 77 00:06:29,070 --> 00:06:33,540 >>The best way that somebody can pick up these skills is practice. 78 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:38,760 Get in front of people, get out in the community, join the user groups, 79 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:45,270 start networking with people, figure out who your peers are, and participate. 80 00:06:46,140 --> 00:06:52,390 My company just put on a hackathon and a lot of people were a little nervous—you know—what's that going to mean, 81 00:06:52,390 --> 00:06:55,060 what's a hackathon? 82 00:06:56,810 --> 00:07:03,160 What it really—what we were trying to encourage people to do is come out and try things, come out and practice, 83 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:10,740 maybe play with a technology that you are not familiar with, or interface with some people on a team that you're not familiar with— 84 00:07:10,740 --> 00:07:14,280 that you don't work with on a daily basis because getting that different perspective— 85 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,870 and I see this just by going out into user groups and communities. 86 00:07:17,870 --> 00:07:26,960 Getting that other perspective can shed a lot of light on a problem you're working through or a skill you're trying to practice, 87 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:33,860 and really the only way to prepare yourself is to practice—just get out there—you know—throw yourself out there. 88 00:07:33,860 --> 00:07:37,970 Put yourself in an uncomfortable position and see what happens. 89 00:07:37,970 --> 00:07:42,000 Now does that relate to the same—in the same way to learning technical skills? 90 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,750 Say you were to hire someone who just taught themselves how to code, 91 00:07:46,750 --> 00:07:50,650 what kind of things are you looking for technically? 92 00:07:50,650 --> 00:07:57,110 >> I am looking for technical acumen—not so much specifically with a language. 93 00:07:57,110 --> 00:08:03,180 But more an underlying understanding—conceptual knowledge. 94 00:08:03,180 --> 00:08:09,210 So study what you already know and then study maybe some things that you don't know, 95 00:08:09,210 --> 00:08:16,320 and that—I think in technology we get so focused on a language or a platform, 96 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,970 and we forgot sometimes about all the other things that play into it. 97 00:08:19,970 --> 00:08:28,120 In fact, today I was just trying to solve a math problem—to run algebra—all those skills that you learn in college you might not get 98 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:34,370 from an untraditional education track, but you can supplement that. 99 00:08:34,370 --> 00:08:36,860 You can go out—seek those things out on your own. 100 00:08:36,860 --> 00:08:38,130 Read a philosophy book. 101 00:08:38,130 --> 00:08:41,590 read a math book or blog post or whatever. 102 00:08:41,590 --> 00:08:51,040 That is an investment in yourself, and I think that's another angle of preparation that you can do on your own that will help build that. 103 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,890 Now I've noticed, like I mentioned earlier, that you've learned a lot of languages, 104 00:08:55,890 --> 00:08:57,850 you've kind of done a lot of different things, 105 00:08:57,850 --> 00:08:59,150 how did you learn? 106 00:08:59,150 --> 00:09:00,840 Did you teach yourself? 107 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,220 What—can you kind of explain that process? 108 00:09:03,220 --> 00:09:09,160 The majority of my technical skill has been self-taught. 109 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,780 I learned Java in college because they taught it. 110 00:09:12,780 --> 00:09:16,010 I learned C and C++ a little bit. 111 00:09:17,390 --> 00:09:19,890 I learned a little bit of the technology in college. 112 00:09:19,890 --> 00:09:27,780 But really so much of it is self-taught, and you have to be able to learn that way if you're going to be technical. 113 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:34,170 It's just the way that the brain works and the platforms go. 114 00:09:34,170 --> 00:09:38,000 What we were developing 10 years ago, we're not really writing that code anymore. 115 00:09:39,510 --> 00:09:43,310 Even going from—for instance, right now, I'm writing iOS apps. 116 00:09:43,310 --> 00:09:52,970 Even going from iOS 5 to an iOS 7 app is—it's a pretty big leap to try to make that connection and to get ramped up 117 00:09:52,970 --> 00:09:57,980 on the frameworks and the APIs and all the things that change throughout. 118 00:09:57,980 --> 00:10:02,250 Again, it really goes back to being able to learn quickly. 119 00:10:02,250 --> 00:10:03,730 I think that's something I have learned. 120 00:10:03,730 --> 00:10:05,090 I can learn quickly. 121 00:10:05,090 --> 00:10:14,130 I figured out my mechanisms, whether it's practice or class or just throwing myself into it first. 122 00:10:14,130 --> 00:10:16,280 What is that mechanism, if you don't mind me asking? 123 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:24,940 For me, personally, it's getting a book, and I've just recently switched to ebooks because that's a huge thing for me 124 00:10:24,940 --> 00:10:35,780 to go technical—ebooks because now I can set with my Kindle or the app—the Kindle app up—either one, and actually write code. 125 00:10:35,780 --> 00:10:42,150 I walk through examples, and that helps me learn really quickly because then if I have a real-world example 126 00:10:42,150 --> 00:10:46,960 I know exactly what things are going to map to in other languages. 127 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,570 I can start relating—okay, this is Hello World, this is label in this language, 128 00:10:50,570 --> 00:10:56,570 that's just like a label in .NET or in Java or whatever. 129 00:10:56,570 --> 00:11:00,820 Learning—I learn by example—just actually doing something. 130 00:11:00,820 --> 00:11:02,200 Okay. 131 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,410 Now let's switch tracks a little bit now. 132 00:11:05,410 --> 00:11:08,710 What are some of the ways that—you know—you highlight these skills? 133 00:11:08,710 --> 00:11:15,950 For our students who are just coming into these fields, what are different ways that they can highlight their skills, 134 00:11:15,950 --> 00:11:21,530 whether technical or non-technical, that would—say—make you want to hire them? 135 00:11:22,910 --> 00:11:26,180 >> I think it's really important to give specific examples. 136 00:11:26,180 --> 00:11:34,670 Being able to give a concrete example of something that you do and you do well is—that's huge. 137 00:11:34,670 --> 00:11:39,120 Because when you're interviewing, you could tell somebody anything. 138 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:46,270 But a skilled interviewer will be able to see through any nebulous or ambiguous words that you use— 139 00:11:46,270 --> 00:11:51,970 any ambiguous stories that you tell or examples that you give. 140 00:11:51,970 --> 00:11:56,770 It's pretty clear generally when you've done something and when you haven't. 141 00:11:56,770 --> 00:12:03,700 The more specific an example you can give, even if it's just you being enthusiastic about something. 142 00:12:03,700 --> 00:12:10,890 That goes—that's a lot better than just saying, "Well, I helped out on this app and I helped out on that app." 143 00:12:10,890 --> 00:12:19,860 Those kinds of things tell me that you didn't really do anything, as opposed to I helped design and implement the 144 00:12:19,860 --> 00:12:26,610 active directory scanner that pulled out employees and sorted them by name. 145 00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:29,840 Specific examples go a long way. 146 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:30,850 Gotcha. 147 00:12:30,850 --> 00:12:44,940 Now—you know—we talked about soft skills, what are ways that—like do you recommend kind of like going out to meet ups 148 00:12:44,940 --> 00:12:49,950 and those kinds of things—user groups when looking for jobs? 149 00:12:49,950 --> 00:12:57,690 What is kind of the best place for someone who's learning to go out and look for their first job? 150 00:12:57,690 --> 00:13:01,170 >> It's really important who you know. 151 00:13:01,170 --> 00:13:03,150 That's really what it comes down to. 152 00:13:03,150 --> 00:13:06,660 You can talk to technical recruiters all day. 153 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:09,650 You could talk to non-technical recruiters all day. 154 00:13:09,650 --> 00:13:16,470 As somebody who has hired people, I am looking for recommendations from people I know. 155 00:13:16,470 --> 00:13:23,940 I'm looking for more of the story of somebody and less about what some recruiter is telling me about this person— 156 00:13:23,940 --> 00:13:26,390 how this person may or may not fit. 157 00:13:26,390 --> 00:13:29,570 Recruiters—I'm a bit skeptical of—sorry, recruiters. 158 00:13:30,850 --> 00:13:32,270 We're all skeptical. 159 00:13:34,010 --> 00:13:37,030 Ultimately, making those connections. 160 00:13:37,030 --> 00:13:41,110 I have recommended people to certain jobs, and that's worked out really well. 161 00:13:41,110 --> 00:13:48,890 I have been recommended to jobs, and I've gotten more jobs through word of mouth than anything else—or personal recommendations. 162 00:13:48,890 --> 00:13:50,030 So yeah, go to meet ups. 163 00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:51,510 Go to user groups. 164 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,010 Go to presentations and conferences. 165 00:13:55,010 --> 00:13:57,990 I've gotten job offers at some of those places. 166 00:13:57,990 --> 00:14:06,100 Just from talking to people, talking about what you're doing—it's at those places where you'll have those casual conversations 167 00:14:06,100 --> 00:14:12,850 about what you're most passionate about and make connections that are a lot more meaningful than searching Dice.com 168 00:14:12,850 --> 00:14:19,420 or talking to the guy at Joe's staffing company down the street. 169 00:14:19,420 --> 00:14:27,950 So it's as important to put in time away from your computer, as much as it is to sit and hack away? 170 00:14:27,950 --> 00:14:35,780 Most definitely, unless you're one of those hacker types that just wants somebody to slide pizza boxes under the door. 171 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,360 I mean if you actually want a job out in the real world, you have to get out there. 172 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:41,880 You have to put yourself out there. 173 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,520 You have to practice those interpersonal skills. 174 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:51,830 Because that is 50 percent of what people are looking for, unless you just want the job writing COBOL— 175 00:14:51,830 --> 00:14:52,550 >> Right. 176 00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:54,310 —which I know a couple guys. 177 00:14:55,570 --> 00:15:02,540 That's great to hear because one of things we really try and—you know—we primarily teach how to code. 178 00:15:02,540 --> 00:15:10,140 But as a business teacher here, it's kind of like my—I try to push as much behind those lessons that, yes, you're learning to code. 179 00:15:10,140 --> 00:15:16,940 But you also need to kind of go out there—do as much of an effort in getting to know people and get to know your community 180 00:15:16,940 --> 00:15:18,140 and those kinds of things. 181 00:15:18,140 --> 00:15:19,880 Yeah, definitely. 182 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:28,770 Again, when looking through your history—kind of—I think—correct me if I'm wrong, 183 00:15:28,770 --> 00:15:35,150 you did a brief stint—and you mentioned that—did a brief stint as a designer before realizing that you preferred programming. 184 00:15:37,580 --> 00:15:44,400 Yeah, kind of—not so much designer as I explored the designer aspect of things. 185 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,040 I actually went to the Art Institute for Multimedia Web Design. 186 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:55,080 I was doing web development and knew I kind of wanted to take that to the next level, but I didn't really know what that meant. 187 00:15:55,390 --> 00:16:02,860 So I went to the Art Institute, and when I discovered that I wasn't a very good designer, 188 00:16:02,860 --> 00:16:07,280 I decided to switch tracks and go to something a little bit more technical. 189 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:14,000 I left there and went back to a regular university because I had already finished half of a degree program. 190 00:16:14,980 --> 00:16:17,480 For me, it was about trying something different. 191 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,270 I don't regret any of that. 192 00:16:19,270 --> 00:16:24,200 It was 9 months well-spent—a lot of money but 9 months well-spent. 193 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:30,390 Just to find out that something I tried didn't work out. 194 00:16:30,390 --> 00:16:35,100 I have no question now that I am not a designer. 195 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:37,350 Yeah—sorry—go on. 196 00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:39,560 I'm just a little too logical for that side. 197 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:40,520 Yeah. 198 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,570 The question I had out of that was do you recommend that as an approach? 199 00:16:44,570 --> 00:16:50,630 Did it—was it—I guess it was useful for you to figure out what you really wanted to do. 200 00:16:50,630 --> 00:16:57,230 Do you recommend people trying out different things or just—like bunkering down and going with one— 201 00:16:57,230 --> 00:17:04,710 I want to learn how to write iPhone apps so let me just focus on Objective-C and Xcode for the next 8 months or a year? 202 00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:05,660 >> Yeah. 203 00:17:05,660 --> 00:17:09,089 I think it should be moderated. 204 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:12,869 It's—you can't keep switching tracks every week. 205 00:17:12,869 --> 00:17:16,609 You can't—I mean, you can if you want, but it's not very productive, 206 00:17:16,609 --> 00:17:27,270 and I don't think it's fair to a technology or a platform or an approach or to yourself to invest so little time that you can't really evaluate it. 207 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,490 With art school for me, that was 9 months. 208 00:17:30,490 --> 00:17:36,540 At the end of 9 months, I realized this is not taking me down the road that I want to go, 209 00:17:36,540 --> 00:17:40,590 this is—I'm not happy going this direction. 210 00:17:40,590 --> 00:17:44,480 I wasn't happy the other way, but this is really not what I want to do. 211 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:53,200 So I gave it 9 months of solid effort and investment before I made that change and said, "Okay, I need to go do something different." 212 00:17:53,330 --> 00:18:01,080 Yeah, I encourage it, but I think you really have to make sure that you give every option its fair opportunity. 213 00:18:01,170 --> 00:18:08,580 If you're going to learn mobile, pick one of the technologies—Android, iOS, and do it for— 214 00:18:08,580 --> 00:18:11,720 you have to do it for at least 6 months, in my opinion. 215 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:20,550 A language or a platform—that kind of thing needs at least 6 months of real, solid effort because for most people 216 00:18:20,550 --> 00:18:25,740 that's how long it's going to take for you to get a full grasp on it. 217 00:18:25,740 --> 00:18:29,050 If you're a slower learner, you might need more time. 218 00:18:29,050 --> 00:18:34,150 You really just kind of have to figure out what that time-frame is for yourself. 219 00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:40,160 But for me it's about 6 months, and I try to devote a little bit more because I like to get a little bit more advanced. 220 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,980 I like to see what else can I do with this technology. 221 00:18:42,980 --> 00:18:44,610 How far can I take it? 222 00:18:44,610 --> 00:18:52,900 I am at 2-1/2 years in iOS development right now, and it's getting a little bit hum-drum. 223 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,950 As they come out with new stuff and I have new ideas— 224 00:18:56,950 --> 00:19:02,280 I'm starting to play with some different aspects of the framework and doing different things with the technology. 225 00:19:03,540 --> 00:19:03,710 Cool. 226 00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:06,510 To kind of wrap up, I just wanted to ask you one final question. 227 00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:14,450 What advice do you have to people who are just entering the field—if you had just one piece of advice to give them? 228 00:19:15,540 --> 00:19:17,660 >> Be persistent. 229 00:19:17,660 --> 00:19:18,520 Be persistent. 230 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,690 If you have a passion for this, keep at it. 231 00:19:21,690 --> 00:19:27,470 There is a lot of competition for jobs and for the fun projects. 232 00:19:27,470 --> 00:19:35,010 But if you're really good at what you do and you keep at it, you will get what you want. 233 00:19:35,010 --> 00:19:37,880 So just keep pounding. 234 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,530 Well, thank you very much, Rachel. 235 00:19:39,530 --> 00:19:41,260 >> Thank you too, John. >> It was a pleasure talking to you. 236 00:19:41,260 --> 00:19:45,040 If any of our students want to get in touch with you, what's the best way? 237 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,920 Twitter is probably the easiest way to find me. 238 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,940 I am out there @pinkeerach. 239 00:19:52,940 --> 00:19:53,630 Cool. 240 00:19:53,630 --> 00:19:54,720 That's an interesting name. 241 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:55,560 Yes. 242 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,100 That's Pinky and the Brain. 243 00:19:58,100 --> 00:19:59,120 Nice. 244 00:19:59,120 --> 00:19:59,740 Thank you very much. 245 00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:01,470 All right. 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