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Hi, I'm Craig.

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Welcome to the Treehouse Show.

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The Treehouse Show is our weekly
conversation with the Treehouse community.

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[SOUND] In this episode,
we'll be talking to the Treehouse teacher,

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bearded feminist a professional dad joker,
Kenneth Love.

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[SOUND] So, thanks for
being in the show, Kenneth.

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>> Thanks, Craig.

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>> I have a question.

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>> Okay.

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>> How did you get started in technology?

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How do I get this technology?

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My school luckily when I was in
kindergarten first grade we had a computer

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classes on like Apple 2E's-
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>> So we were doing like logo and
organ trail or

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that kind of stuff-
>> Tarzan.

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Yeah I mean there were
tons of great games.

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So that was always fun and
I enjoyed doing that.

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Middle school and
high school we had Basic programming,

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like the language Basic,
not simple programming languages.

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So did that all through, all through
school did some sort of programming.

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>> What would you build in that?

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>> We did random things.

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Usually it wasn't
anything too complicated.

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First time it was drawing.

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>> Okay.
>> Which was kinda cool.

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But then it was like, you finally
figured out that okay if I have Basic.

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So you just had loops.

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>> Sure.

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>> Like, go to 100 or whatever, right?

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>> Right.
>> Wasn't even QBasic,

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we didn't have functions.

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We need to figure out, okay cool,
if I can draw the scene,

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and then I can draw another,
clear the screen, draw another scene.

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And then if I loop between
them I get animations,

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I can make wheels turn or whatever.

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>> Okay.

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>> So that was fun.

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And around that time I got into doing
design stuff, learning web stuff.

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I snuck diskettes into the public
library so I could upload web pages

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because you weren't allowed
to bring them in from home.

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And so anyway got into like new
web design, stuff like that so

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I went to college for that.

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And then got caught up with
programming towards the end of that

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to make a role playing
game it never happened.

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>> Okay.

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You were going to make
a role playing game?

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>> Yeah people were making a game online
>> I said I would help with art,

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because I was a designer, graphics person-
>> That's right,

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you've got that background
I forgot about that.

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>> Yeah, I have a design degree, so
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>> I get really concentrated on fonts and
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Anyway, I was going to help him do this.

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So I was producing tiling art and it was
an orthogonal tile, or not orthogonal,

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but we had perfected tiles so
it was offset by halfway.

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And I needed a way to test it, so

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they gave me little PHP script that would
build up like this big table for me.

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And I was like, that's pretty cool I
want to figure out how they did that.

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And I was doing an internship for
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working in their web
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So I basically picked up PHP from that,
from a couple books.

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And then I was like, design's boring,
I'm gonna be a programmer instead.

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>> Okay, when you picked up the PHP
what did it stand for at that time?

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>> I think it was still at that point,
PHP hypertext preprocessor?

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>> Okay.
>> Though a little weird backronym thing?

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>> Right.

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Yeah, I don't think gonna
do anything else yet.

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>> Okay.

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>> Yeah.

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>> I touched that when it
was personal homepage.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Yes, make my own homepage.

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It was very nice looking.

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>> Yeah.
>> So [COUGH]

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what do you teach here at Treehouse?

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>> So I'm the Python teacher primarily.

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So we do Python, we do Flask,
Django, all of these Pythony stuff.

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I've also done some stuff over Git and
Vim.

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And I've done-
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>> Vim is a really,
really old text editor.

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[LAUGH] So

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it's from the very early days of anything
we would even consider the Internet.

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So ARPA days.

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>> Okay.
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Vim was meant to be this very light
weight, very fast text editor.

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To send edits back and
forth across the wire quickly.

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So you would be in Massachusetts at MIT
and you're working on code that leaves in

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the mainframe in Nebraska cuz
you're working on government stuff.

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>> Got you.

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>> And you wanna be able to send
that data as fast as possible.

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You can probably only see
a few lines at a time, so

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then becomes very finely tuned for
this style of editing.

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Okay, you're working on
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you're gonna be able to move
around it very quickly.

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And you're gonna be able to
do edits very quickly, and

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send those edits back across
the wire very quickly.

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>> Gotcha, and that's what happens
when sometimes I pop in to the editor.

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>> Yeah.
>> It's like a default editor.

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>> Yeah you forget to attach your
message on your Git commit and

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then you pop into the editor
that just beeps at you?

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That's them.

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>> Right, [LAUGH] okay.

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>> Colon queue gets you out of that.

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>> [LAUGH] Okay, thanks, and
that's in the workshop that you teach?

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>> Yeah, we did a meet-up here a year or
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I spent about an hour showing
everybody how to do [CROSSTALK]

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The basics of them, very,
very basic of them.

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It's a very lying a lot of older
technology thing it's very deep and

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somewhat murky.

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>> Do you still use that?

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>> Sort of, so there is a features a lot
of editor have called vim keys which

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basically gives you Vim's modes and keys
so that you can move thing very quickly.

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You can edit things like you are used to
in Vim without having to be in them, so-

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>> Cool, so

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you can get the other
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>> Yeah, so if you really loved, say
you Sublime text little mini map thing,

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it shows you where you're at on the file.

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You could use Sublime text and
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you'd have Vim inside of Sublime text.

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>> Awesome, what's your current editor?

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>> I did most of my stuff
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Visual Studio code is pretty
fun I'll tell you that.

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>> Sound.
>> [CROSSTALK]

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>> They all have Vim keys.

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And then I jump around, yeah.

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I've used, the last few years I've used
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Emax, which the Vim people
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Cuz there's those are classic
[INAUDIBLE] where-

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>> But you sit on both sides?

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Yeah, I like both of them so.

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>> Okay, cool, so you also do
something weird with your keyboard.

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I use to sit next to you,
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you had a really loud
keyboard first of all.

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And one time I sat down at your
computer and I went to type and

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is was just kinda like,
not what I was typing.

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What's going on?

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>> Yeah, so the loud keyboard is,
it's a mechanical keyboard.

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Again older school,
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instead of like in a laptop.

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It's just a little membrane
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>> Sounds makes so it loud.

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>> Okay.
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customize how loud these are.

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>> So if you're like,
I really like that feel.

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So it feels like a typewriter,
but you don't want it to be loud,

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you can make it [INAUDIBLE]
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>> But you like it loud.

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>> I like it loud.

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>> Like popcorn's in the microwave loud.

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>> Yeah, it can be really loud.

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>> And then the reason you couldn't
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which is an alternate layout from
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So all my keys don't type the key that
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>> So why do you do that?

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>> I kind of mixed it up on a whim.

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There's long been a thing of Dvorak
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the safest way of typing.

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It avoids RSI, or
no carpal tunnel, or whatever.

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>> Most of that's unsubstantiated.

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>> But about 12 years ago, I was like
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And I switched to it and I'm still there.

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>> Okay, let's cut really quick to
something that Kenneth is typing,

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cuz it's kind of impressive
seeing this screen cast.

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You should see this.

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Cuz you type really fast.

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>> I do.

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>> It's impressive.

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>> Yeah [CROSSTALK]
>> It's kinda mind blowing, but

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people think that you're a computer, so
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>> [LAUGH] I think it comes
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I mean as a programmer you do an insane
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And I come from a past of not using IDEs.

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>> So I don't have the,

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I've watched programmers that
are very ingrained in the IDE world.

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They're Java programmers, C# programmers,
whatever, they've used IDEs forever.

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And they're amazingly fast
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They know how to trigger they know
when its gonna come out they can just

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automatically complete these things.

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I don't have that training.

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I have the will type of getting
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it really doesn't do autocomplete for you.

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So I've done a large,
large amount of typing over the years.

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So, a lot of the speed and
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>> Okay.
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I mean the Dvorak probably helps but
it's just practice.

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One thing that Dvorak is great for though.

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On Macs which a lot of us use.

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You know you do Command+W to close the
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>> Sure.
>> And they're right next to each other.

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How often have you hit Command+Q
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>> Very nice, very nice.

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If you're using an iPad do
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No.
>> Is that hard?

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Are you like really bad at touch typing?

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>> No, the weirdest thing for me, and
I've had to do it a few times like

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I'll call my wife and
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>> And then it's like she has
to type in the password, and

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it's like I have to translate
like where this key is

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in Dvorak to where it's in Qwerty.

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>> Because the password
goes in [INAUDIBLE].

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>> Yeah, which I can usually
well go in in Dvorak, but

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she's looking at Qwerty keys because
I don't re-key the keyboard.

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The keys are still where they are,
in Qwerty.

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You just hit the key and
types the Dvorak key.

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>> You see the world are much
differently than I do.

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>> It's probably an unnecessary robot.

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[LAUGH] Like I can just switch
back to Qwerty and be fine.

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It's 12 years, why would I quit now?

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>> Yeah.
Right?

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Right.
>> It's not hurting me, I think.

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>> Right, and your wrist look very strong.

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>> Yeah, they're fine wrists.

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>> [LAUGH]
>> They hold up my hands well.

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>> [LAUGH]
>> [LAUGH] They're good.

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>> What's something that
the students won't know about you,

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without watching one of your courses?

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What's something that they can learn?

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About you, what do you want to share?

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>> About me?

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>> About you, personally,
that they're not gonna learn here.

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>> Well, now they will though.

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>> Right, so before this moment.

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>> Okay, that's a good question.

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They may not realize just how many really
terrible puns I slip in the courses.

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>> Mm-hm especially they might
not be your students, right?

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>> Right, yeah,

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and people who aren't my students won't
know how many horrible jokes I've put in.

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>> You do have kind of
a killer amount of puns.

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>> You and
I are both right there on that one, yeah.

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There's lot of bad puns, lot of bad jokes.

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And the jokes often transcend just
like things I say they end up as like

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the stuff I'll write in the course.

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So there's layers of it.

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It's an onion.

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>> Okay.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Okay.
>> I don't think I've made anyone cry,

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due to jokes though.

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>> Because it's an onion.

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>> Right.

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>> Got you.

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>> Yeah, so I think the art form that
you're speaking of is dad jokes.

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You are a father.

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>> I am, yeah.

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I don't believe that's pretty regular.

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>> No?
>> No, I don't think you have to be a dad

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to make dad jokes.

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>> True, and being a teacher also
gives you a level of bad jokes.

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So you've kind of got two
things going on there.

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So can you give me one?

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What's your most recent favorite dad joke?

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>> So what's the temperature inside of a?

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A [INAUDIBLE] is the-
>> The thing in Star Wars, yeah.

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Like the lama looking thing, Lukewarm.

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What's brown and rhymes with Snoop?

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Dr. Dre.

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>> [LAUGH]
>> See you forgot about Dre

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>> [LAUGH] That's terrible,

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that was a BOGO.

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>> [LAUGH]
>> How do vampires cross the ocean?

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On blood vessels?

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This is [LAUGH]
>> Where does a witch park?

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In a broom closet.

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I've got tons of horrible
little jokes like that.

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We should probably skip most of them.

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[LAUGH]
>> [LAUGH]

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>> And the thing is

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I've liked them since I was a kid.

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Like I would go to the library and

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get joke books that were just
full of those crappy jokes.

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>> Yeah.
>> And

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then memorize them because they're so
horrible but

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you had to read them repeatedly.

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>> Yeah.
What's the joy that that brings you?

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>> Because I can see that you love it.

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>> Yeah, I think it's almost
the repulsion on someone else's face.

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>> [LAUGH]
>> I think it's akin to why people love

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prank videos, right?

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You enjoy watching this because
it's this horrible thing that's not

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happening to you.

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>> Okay.
>> So you can laugh at it because it's not

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your downfall.

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So I think on the puns it's getting
to inflict that little bit of

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like eye rolling and just my God I can't
believe he said that on someone else.

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I think that's what makes it fun.

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And just finding out
how badly they can go.

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>> One my favorite ones that I ever
heard you tell involved the dance,

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the school dance?

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Do you remember that one?

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>> Was it about long lines?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Yeah I remember that one.

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Yeah, you want that one?

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>> Let's close this out and let's let
everybody at home be repulsed by this.

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>> All right it is one of my favorite
jokes actually, like all time favorites.

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So okay, so there's a guy, a kid and
he's all excited the prom is coming up.

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Right?
He asks the girl he wants to

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go out with and
she says yes so it's great.

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So, you know,
there's a lot of preparation for prom.

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So he goes to the flower store,
to the get the boutineer and

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the corsage and everything.

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And there's just this huge, long line.

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And so
he's just waiting in line all day long.

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>> It's prom season.

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>> Yeah, prom season so he's there
hours waiting to get the flowers.

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He gets the flowers.

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Cool.

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Text office list.

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[INAUDIBLE] nice to [INAUDIBLE] and
get his tux, right?

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So he goes to the tuxedo rental.

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>> Horrible place.

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>> Horrible place, yeah.

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Those are never fun.

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And he's waiting in line to get his tux.

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Again, long lines-
>> Prom season.

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>> It's prom season.

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He's been waiting in line for
hours to get this.

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So he's got the corsage, and
the blue boutineer, he's got the tux.

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He's good to, right?

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They're not gonna worry about the limo,
none of that, they're just good to go.

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So he goes and picks her up,
takes her, they get to the school.

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There's a huge long line to get in and
take the pictures.

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>> Of course.
>> Because you gotta do

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pictures and everything.

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>> Right.
>> So they stand in line for

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the pictures, long time.

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They finally get into the dance.

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It's hot, a lot of people,
she asks for some punch.

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And he's like, cool, I'll go get it.

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He walks over, no punchline.

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