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Python Object-Oriented Python Advanced Objects Frustration

Can I increment inside the dunder len function? Looking for some direction with the frustration.py challenge.

I'm really struggling with the instructions here. I'm not sure how to use super() here unless maybe I make a class called list, and inherit from that?

Seems like I could just increment the dunder len function and return that result. Am I on the right track here?

Thanks in advance for the help.

class Liar(list):

    def __len__(self, numlist=None):
        self.numlist = [] 
        if self.numlist > 0:
            return len(self.numlist) += 3

3 Answers

Steven Parker
Steven Parker
227,141 Points

You can't increment the "len" function itself ("+="), but you can always add to the value it returns ("+").

Also, since you're redefining "len", to avoid a recursive infinite loop you probably want to call the parent version instead (using "super()").

Lastly, since the object derives from "list", you won't need to create a separate "numlist". You can just use "self".

I get that I can increment the return value. That much makes sense, but I don't understand anything after that point. Here's what I know:

I am creating a class that inherits from list, which is the parent class, and I know nothing about it. At least it's some built-in class right?

The instructions use an example of a list, which to me implies that I need an actual list variable no? How can I return a value from a variable/attribute that doesn't exist? Am I evaluating for true/false or an integer?

Is the parent version of len() the len() function? Am I using it with super() and then redefining later like this?

class Liar(list):
    def __init__(self):
    def __len__(self):
            return __len__(self) + 1 

Just getting back to this and wanted to follow up. Anyone have some thoughts on my code above?

Steven Parker
Steven Parker
227,141 Points


  • you only need to override "__len__" (not "__init__")
  • that second-to-last line ("__len__(self)") isn't correct syntax (and not needed)
  • take another look at my previous hints (about using "super")

Well I passed the challenge but I don't understand what's happening in the code.

Why do we need to call the len function of the parent class using super()? Could we not override the len method to meet the needs of the challenge?

class Liar(list):
    def __len__(self):
        truth = super().__len__()
        return truth + 2
Steven Parker
Steven Parker
227,141 Points

The only way to be certain that you generate a wrong answer, is to get the right one (using "super") and alter it.