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Christian Tucker
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Christian Tucker
Courses Plus Student 1,987 Points

How to go about searching for and applying for an entry level position.

I'm a JavaScript developer that's not new by any means, however I feel there is much more to learn, which is why I subscribed to TeamTreehouse hoping to increase my knowledge. I've been developing for around 12 years now. I'm 22 years old. I have quite a bit of experience with Java and JavaScript. I'm able to read and write in C# however don't use it frequently. I've got a decent understanding of Swift as-well, and while I can't write in it off the top of my head, I can read Objective-C and work around it.

I'm a React developer, more or less. I love the platform, but I lean towards React-Native. I don't enjoy writing web applications. It's not that I can't, I just prefer not to. Developing using React for mobile is an amazing experience for me, and I enjoy it.

I've attempted to apply for jobs through freelancing, but everyone knows how that goes. He who has no previous experience on a job board and good reviews doesn't get the job. This seems to hold true as I've applied for over 300 jobs in the last few months and haven't even gotten a response.

I'm a programming enthusiast. I study several hours a day. I always try to broaden my knowledge into different areas as-well. I live in the Houston, TX area and I'm not able to relocate due to family concerns.

I've contributed to several 3rd party react-native modules and even the Netty networking library in Java. I've also written my own networking implementations that recycle buffers and make use of the Java NIO2 asynchronous socket libraries.

I've diddled in Unreal Engine and Unity3D making some multiplayer games in my free time.

I have quite a bit of stuff to put down on my resume, but I guess my problem is I don't know where to look. I'm currently in the process of setting up a website that shows previous works off. I'm taking mobile applications that I've written and prettying the code up and releasing them on GitHub. I've been all over the price spectrum as-well.

Where do you guys look for work, freelancing or otherwise, and what's the secret to get into the door? I've searched every job board I can find for React-native job openings, or people needing applications built, but I just can't find anything.

8 Answers

What have you done or how much effort have you allocated toward face-to-face networking?!

I'm also curious to know about the area with which you're looking for employment. Your choices will be limited to how urban the area is. Also how mobile or open are you to relocating if it comes down to it?

Have you tried volunteering or becoming a member of service clubs?!

Christian Tucker
Christian Tucker
Courses Plus Student 1,987 Points

@Ednayln - I would hardly consider Houston, TX urban as it's the 4th largest city in the United States. Directly after I stated the location that I'm in, I stated that I'm not able to relocate.

I believe the question at hand was more or less directed towards where to get started with face-to-face networking, as there's nobody I know to talk to that could help with getting my foot in the door. I haven't had time to Volunteer anywhere. I spend an upwards of 6-8 hours a day studying. Working on the small projects that I do get, and building a bigger portfolio.

I don't believe you even read my post before commenting.

Try the Business topic on Treehouse.

"I stated that I'm not able to relocate."

Sure you are. You just think you're not.

Christian Tucker
Christian Tucker
Courses Plus Student 1,987 Points

I'm not able to relocate because I'm taking care of my paralyzed mother (Waist down) who's suffering from Stage 4 lung cancer. I /cannot/ relocate currently.

Christian Tucker First, calm down. I am on your side. I am looking for a job too and I'm experiencing similar challenges. I decided against mentioning it because I wanted to keep this post about you and not about me. I DID read your post and I even clicked on your profile and saw that you're from Alvin, TX. I'm not familiar with the area and didn't want to assume anything. For example, I could say I live in the Austin or Fort Worth/Dallas area but that doesn't necessarily mean anything because the commute to and from the country presents a challenge in itself.

SO, at this point, I am sorry to hear about your plight. It sucks. However, now more than ever, I urge to take heed and play nice. ALWAYS lead with your best foot and try not to alienate somebody who can potentially help.

Goodluck.

That sucks Christian Tucker dude.

Christopher McRoy
Christopher McRoy
17,295 Points

I think once your website is put together that'll be a big step in the right direction. Seems most of what I've read from researching this topic is that the hiring managers like to see something "tangible". A lot of stuff on a resume might get ignored/overlooked, but pointing to a website that showcases all of your projects and offers downloads of programs you've written is a plus.

Make sure your website is well-organized and well-written. Poorly written content, typos and grammatical errors are going to give hiring managers a bad first impression. The website should prove that you're not just able to develop, but that you can do it well. I've also read that a lot of hiring managers are not actually able to read or write code, so they need to see the end-user results because the code is just a bunch of gibberish to them.

Maybe put studying on hold one day, and put all of the 6-8 hours into updating and posting your resume. Do a couple of Google searches on updating resumes, especially specific to programming/development, and make sure yours looks the way it should. Then make it public on job sites like Indeed, Monster, Jobing, etc. Check your job sites for new posts daily, programming positions can get hundreds of applications so you'll improve your odds by applying early. You can also try posting on social media, not just that you're looking for work, but also that you're interested in networking and attending local meetups. Maybe a friend knows a friend who knows a friend, you never know!

And like Alexander Davison said, check out the Business topic here. I haven't gone through much of it yet, but they do offer courses on careers, interviews, the hiring process, etc.

I hope some of this is helpful. I know it's hard to get a job, especially without a lot of previous work experience (because expecting 6 years of experience for an entry-level position is logical right? lol). Keep at it though, something will come your way!

Christopher McRoy
Christopher McRoy
17,295 Points

I'd also like to add that the rest of the Treehouse Community is usually very helpful, and I'm sorry for some of the responses you've had so far. Especially the comment from Justin Stark. If someone claims they are not able to relocate, especially when 'due to family concerns', it should be understood that there's a legitimate reason. You shouldn't have had to mention your mother's condition, and I hope Justin Stark feels embarrassed for his careless comment and decides to apologize.

Condolences to his mother of course. I have to ask why he has been going so hard on programming or how he's found the time. There was ZERO wrong with my comment WITH the knowledge that I had had. So no, no I will not be apologizing and no, no I do not feel embarrassed. You have to understand how many people I come across that won't move for the worst of reasons (I'd miss my friends.......my cat hates long travel). No if he's telling the truth that's an acceptable reason, but one of the few.

Christopher McRoy
Christopher McRoy
17,295 Points

Yes I do understand how many people are unwilling to relocate over what seem like the worst reasons. I have friends like that too. But it's not really fair of you to apply a generalization based on other people's reasons. Christian is not other people.

Besides, who are you to judge whether another person's reasons are acceptable or not? It's just your opinion. So what if someone doesn't want to move because they value the temporary comfort of their cat? Maybe it's silly to you or me, but it's not our place to put someone else down for what they care about. Try being more supportive instead. If someone said to you, "I can't fly", maybe suggest they try walking. Telling them they actually can fly, they just think they can't, is not very constructive.

He said he couldn't relocate due to family concerns. Concern, meaning anxiety, worry, responsibility, for his family. Knowing what a 'family concern' entails, this may give someone enough knowledge to determine it may at least be a sensitive subject, in which case a more appropriate comment would have been, "if you don't mind me asking, why are you not able to relocate?". With the vague information he provided in his original post though, the reality is that you didn't have any knowledge on the subject. His response just further proves that.

And now with this "if he's telling the truth" comment -- come on man, really? Sure, let's say he's lying, but it's still not your place to decide whether his real reasons are acceptable or not, and therefore you're comment was out of line. But I think you should go ahead and assume that he is telling the truth and just admit you shot from the hip and you missed. "Everyone makes mistakes, that's why they put erasers on pencils." The hard part is realizing it and admitting to it. "I made an assumption about your situation and was wrong about it, my bad" wouldn't be too difficult would it?

I'm sure the natural impression will be that I'm just attacking you, but I'd like for you to read this and consider the points I'm trying to make, before reacting defensively. But based on your comments I won't be surprised with how the rest of this plays out. I probably just shouldn't have said anything, so my apologies to Christian for how I helped this to escalate. Such is the nature of a forum I guess.

Christopher McRoy
Christopher McRoy
17,295 Points

Condolences to his mother of course. I have to ask why he has been going so hard on programming or how he's found the time.

Thank you for editing and adding this line.

Programming is a good option for people who need to do a lot of work at home and not always at the office, and online studying can be done at home as well, so it gives him the opportunity to work towards something while still being available to help.

triggered

And yes not wanting to move because of your cat deserves eternal judgement and scorn. Not wanting to move because your kids will be sad leaving their friends, also deserves the same.