how to post code snippets?!

Down at the bottom of the "Add an answer" is a link to a Markdown Cheatsheet which will explain how to do just that! And it'll explain it better than I can

cheers :)

'''Python def function1(): print("bob") '''

even this i don't understand. i give up

No, don't give up! That's never the answer. The beginning marks you have are going the wrong way. We want the ` and you've put '. Now, I don't know where that character is on your keyboard, unfortunately. I do not use a US keyboard. According to what I can find, it should be to the left of the 1 key on an American keyboard. Pressing this key by itself will have no effect so you'll have to press it several times probably to get the three backticks.

Once you do this, you need a blank line after. Then you post your code. Then another blank line. Then three more backticks.

> ```

    def function1(): print("bob")

>  ```

If you can copy this code without the angle brackets in the beginning, it should result in something that will post your code. Sorry, I was forced to include the > so that it didn't think it was another piece of markdown. Hope this helps!

def func():
    print("well, this is sufficiently embarrassing...")

It's uk but same position, why what type are you on? Cheers been doing my head in feel like a right muppet, must feel like teaching your grandad how to send an email lol, but thanks

mind if i pick ur brain on something else?

got a little python script i ballsed up abit, dunno if ur any good with python?

might as well ask you before making sure someone else pegs me as a dumbass too lol

:) i'm sure your much better than me!

It's just from the letter game from the python basics track. that's all i've done yet.

I asked about it before but i couldn't really work out from the answer i got what to actually do and i didn't want to keep asking.

https://w.trhou.se/42qpgej6vs

works best offline but still works ok in workspaces.

The problem seems to be that i keep having to send all the variables to each function as an argument, or they won't be recognized. Now ive been told the problem is something to do with making a class, like a grouping of all the variables, and then make some sort of instance of that class. COMPLETELY went over my head and when i looked it up and went through the videos again there was no mention of any of it. Just can't really move on till i understand these basics!!!

I swear i used to be smart lol, honest. Grammar school and everything, but if what's supposed to be a 5 hour track (with the word 'basic' in the title) is taking me weeks and i STILL don't understand, and there's kids just blasting straight through it, ahhh just gets you down.

Anywayyy... if you get a few spare mins later, could you just take a quick look and see if there's any easy way to talk me through what i'm supposed to do?

Thanks alot!!

Jesus you're quick!!! Yeah, sboard i put outside of any functions so that when i went back to the main menu or to other functions, the board wouldn't be wiped etc I just kind of kept making up ways of doing things through trial and error, like the little 'check' loop to get around having duplicated letters messing up the length, but its probably why i messed up so much lol, there's so many different ways to do things it seems!! Awww ur an angel no need to do that! although it may be easier than explaining, don't wurry though no rush, i really appreciate this! :)

I had a better idea. I'm going to make a small code snippet to show you the difference between global variables and local variables. But in the meantime... try this. I think you'll find it interesting. Throughout your code you have functions that accept sboard as a parameter. You also have calls to functions that send sboard. Here are two examples:

def introduction(sboard):

playagain(sboard)

First make a new file so you can have your original, and copy/paste your code in there. Then start removing sboard from all of those and see what happens

got rid of them all i think, im getting this though:

File "game3.py", line 206, in fullguess playagain() File "game3.py", line 143, in playagain introduction() File "game3.py", line 30, in introduction scoreboard() File "game3.py", line 231, in scoreboard print("1st PLACE: ", sboard[0], "\n") UnboundLocalError: local variable 'sboard' referenced before assignment

damn, i did it on my sublime text editor lol should have done it on workspaces, when i copy it over the indents are all messed up! Ill do it on here now. 2 mins... maybe it's just because its trying to reference a list item that isn't there yet? i had to create the try block to get around the IndexError anyway, could just add that to the try block?

https://w.trhou.se/p6tpkkwrp7

hmmmm, only things i don't get about that is why it prints out the 7;

i thought 'return' wasn't supposed to print anything to screen, just save it, and i can't see print(result) anywhere

And why the value of myList has actually been changed;

the list is made (with no values), the function is defined and inside is where a value is added to the list, but am i right to say that the item is not actually added yet? it would only be added once the function is called? but then afterwards i thought it would go back to being empty? That's what seems to happen with my sboard list, now that ive taken it out as an argument to each function nothing gets saved there, but with your script, it prints the last 10 and the list is saved globally, but i can't see why it's been saved globally. GOD it's confusing lol

so like your list myList, inside the function it is appended to, but then that should disappear once the function is finished tho right? and yet it still works and prints it, from outside the function, even though the list isn't added to the function as an argument

ahrite, so that code you just posted means both print 10 and then print 7? because z is now equal to the whole function isn't it, which includes the print(z) which is 10 at the time, then the return result which is 7. So.... if you make a variable within a function it just disappears and can't be used, but if you change a variable or append a variable, it stays that way afterwards? seems odd, like why would it be so that you can't use a variable that you have just made, why even make it if you can't use it lol!

just quickly, so is the value of z now 7, 10, or the entire function call?

because z = myLocal(x, y)

but within that, z = x * y, so it's 10 now

but then after that you do print(z) and it prints both 10 and 7,

i'm really sorry for this!!

great little example script tho! will have to mess about with it, see if something clicks

I swear, one of these days, probably weeks from now, im going to get past this damn "5 Hour" python basics track if it kills me!!!

Got it working!!!

Exactly like you said, take all the sboard bits out everywhere APART from where sboard is appended to, so the scoreboard function, and when calling that function. Id taken it out of the too which is why it wasn't working.

AAAAHHHHH!! FINALLY i get it, the actual practical side of scope, global and local, been reading wikipedia and had someone on here try and explain it, just didn't get the actual applicable side of it, like how to take someones definition of 'scope' and use that to sort out my script and see where i was going wrong, your a legend! Seems so simple now, like what the hell, how did everyone else get this and not me??!!!! for so long too!! They should add that little code and your explanations to one of the early vids on making functions, don't know if i missed one or something but that was not made clear to me at all.

Bless ya for being so patient lol i feel a right pillock now!

now i just need to work out how to do it the the rest of the 250 lines... and then i can move on!!!

legend

i take it your in Sweden, so 3.30 in morning too.