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Macaw - The Code-Savvy Web Design Tool

I wish I would have backed this project in time. It looks super interesting and potentially disruptive to Adobe. Do you think Macaw could be a potential threat to Photoshop or Fireworks? Adobe needs a viable competitor built for web design.

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6 Answers

James Barnett
James Barnett
39,199 Points

Check out https://webflow.com/ it has a lot of the same features of Macaw and it's available now.

Also Adobe already killed Fireworks, however it does remind me of Adobe's Edge Reflow.

I didn't know that. I only use Photoshop and Pixelmator. Thanks for the link to Webflow. I'll have to take a look.

Adobe might save itself with it's new pricing model. However, they still have to protect a $27.3B market cap. The problem with Adobe (specifically Photoshop) is their price points were so high, most people starting off were forced to pirate the software. It feels like things are starting to change both on product and pricing. It's almost certainly as a result of growing competition.

James Barnett
James Barnett
39,199 Points

> The problem with Adobe (specifically Photoshop) is their price points were so high, most people starting off were forced to pirate the software.

Adobe is a company in the business of making software for design professionals not hobbyists it's priced according to the value it has for those professionals given the prices professional command for their services. If you are being paid for your design work then you shouldn't be stealing. If you aren't being paid then you don't need professional tools yet you can cut your teeth on graphic tools designed for hobbyists. Widespread pirating of commercial software is largely about public perception of a company people feel it's ok to steal software they don't actually like.

To be honest James, I think you're getting a little too defensive and misunderstanding what I was saying. I have never pirated Adobe software and I'm not advocating for doing so. I understand Adobe products are built for design professionals, but as with any creative professional, not everyone starts out with hundreds of dollars to spend on industry standard software. It's incredibly important for there to be options for everyone to start designing no matter what their budget. I'm also speaking in the past tense, I think Adobe's new model of charging less upfront and paying monthly makes their software much more accessible to the average designer.

There is no reason to be condescending. Not only have I never pirated Adobe software, I've been a paid user since 2005. While you and I are both in the fortunate position to be able to afford industry-standard software. Not everyone is so fortunate. The good news is, competition is growing and Adobe is changing for the better.

James I see you helping out a lot around the forums. You give really good advice most of the time. I really don't want to sound disrespectful. Have a good day!

James Barnett
James Barnett
39,199 Points

I didn't mean to imply you personally ever used pirated software as your post in no way implied that. The you I used was the generic you in lieu of the term one.

Sorry for any misunderstanding.

James Barnett
James Barnett
39,199 Points

Ben Ackles -

I just came across a very interesting article about piracy of Android apps. It offers some very interesting context on software piracy in general. I think this is my favorite quote.

"Piracy is a symptom of failure to find an effective business model. β€œEffective” here means the whole gamut of product quality, availability, platform, marketing, price, delivery, support and so on."

I think that's an excellent analysis, so by extension Adobe's business model in particular it's pricing/delivery of Photoshop has failed and resulted in piracy.

That's an interesting quote. It seems to really capture the variety of motives behind piracy. It's not quite as simple as people being cheap, resentful and entitled.

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Gerald Quinones
Gerald Quinones
2,953 Points

Used webflow, it's nice but the monthly price and some of the crashes were off putting. Love the idea of working offline for a one time payment. Adobe and webflow are a continuous investment while macaw is trying to reach every potential Web designer in the market.

It's available pre-order to general public for $129: http://macaw.co/presale/.

James Barnett
James Barnett
39,199 Points

Once it's released to the general public, I'm hoping to get some first hand accounts from some experienced designers about how well it does the job day-to-day.

I donated around november to their kickstarter.

Hoping it's as awesome as it looks!

Downloading the free trial right now :)

Do not waste your time with Macaw! It does not work at all. The software breaks and is a waste of time.

Yeah it is and it really bugs the crap outta me! It's been a huge disappointment so far. Thankfully I didn't buy it!