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Michael Thomas
10,910 PointsObjective-C course is terrible...
I'm sorry but I feel I really have to raise the issue I have with the iOS Objective-C track. It's very confusing when the teacher is using keyboard short cuts without even telling you and introducing concepts without first explaining what they're for i.e. setters and getters.
I'm referring here to the video on the Objective-C course titled 'From Structs to Objects'.
I will be taking up the suggestions made by some of the students on this thread - to which I have also made some of my own suggestions:
https://teamtreehouse.com/forum/very-confusing
I'll be taking a course else where to get my self up to speed with Objective-C and hopefully come back.
Mike
4 Answers
Jeremy Lindstrom
6,646 PointsI agree Douglass Turner goes through a lot of shortcut keys so if you aren't paying attention you will be in the wrong file, he switches between the .h and .m files constantly without saying anything and glosses over the fact many of the students have no background on what he is speaking his topic on. It does make a little more sense later on, but would have been nice to understand it at this stage.
Jeremy Lindstrom
6,646 Pointsremains to be seen. There are Swift apps being made, but the next couple years you will still be fairly safe knowing Objective-C, knowing Objective-C will never hurt in the long run. You will learn many languages of programming throughout your career if you go into development in the future.
Alamuddin Bakhit
1,355 PointsThanks for the advice, I'll try my best to learn both, for present and future!
Alamuddin Bakhit
1,355 PointsSwitch to swift!
Jeremy Lindstrom
6,646 PointsSwift doesn't solve the problem, you will need to learn Objective-C if you plan on creating apps. Here's some great examples why..
http://www.bignerdranch.com/blog/ios-developers-need-to-know-objective-c/
You can’t do everything in Swift. For example, if you want to use a library of C++ code in your application, you will need to talk to the C++ objects from Objective-C. Swift can call C functions, but I believe that if you are working with a lot of C functions and types, you will want to code in Objective-C.
The community talks in Objective-C. There are thousands of useful Objective-C snippets on StackOverflow and iOS dev blogs everywhere. Objective-C is the language we have used for the last six years to describe to each other how the Cocoa Touch libraries work. If you can’t read Objective-C, you won’t be able to understand this trove of knowledge.
The frameworks are written Objective-C. When you have a bug, it often doesn’t rear its ugly head until execution is deep in Apple’s code. If you want to understand what the debugger is telling you, you will need to understand Objective-C.
Objective-C is stable and well-tested. Swift looks great, but the language is evolving and the compiler is immature. If I were making a significant bet on developing an app this year, I would still use Objective-C.
Alamuddin Bakhit
1,355 PointsWow!
I never know this, thanks!
I'm still new to programming, I haven't created an app yet, but I'm looking forward to it soon, it seems like what you're saying is "Swift isn't bad but not yet mature" do you know when will it hit it's maturity or if it will ever be?
Caleb Kleveter
Treehouse Moderator 37,862 PointsI understand, but it will make more sense when you do primitive data types.
Michael Thomas
10,910 PointsOk thanks, I'm going to give it another shot, hissy fit over...
Michael Thomas
10,910 PointsIt's just frustrating because when you look at the other courses on line they explain what an Object is and what an instance of a class is and how the two terms 'object' and 'instance' are inter changeable.
Michael Thomas
10,910 PointsThis Student sums up the feeling I have about this here;
https://teamtreehouse.com/forum/wrong-start-to-introduce-objectivec
Michael Thomas
10,910 PointsMichael Thomas
10,910 PointsThanks Jeremy - to any one else feeling frustrated with the Objective-C course, I would recommend the Objective-C book 'The Big Nerd Ranch Guide' it's excellent at explaining concepts in plain English.