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Long Lu
2,493 PointsTreehouse is so amazing, but after all that?
Treehouse teach us web design, web develpoment, IOS?Android and even starting a business. My question is can treehouse provide some tips or guidance about <strong>how to find a job?</strong> For a web developer like me, which already have some very useful skills plus things I learned from treehouse. Just need a some tips about finding a job, like interview skills, resume advise...etc.
Long Lu
2,493 PointsThanks a lot, I didn't know you guys have it. But it is OK now, I just found an investor who is willing to start a company with me. I guess I should learn about from How to Start a Business.
6 Answers
Liam Foster
2,856 PointsThis would be awesome! +1 from me!
Clay Garland
10,675 PointsJob getting tips from a guy with no college degree.
- Be Enthusiastic - Nothing sticks in an interviewers mind like enthusiasm. All the buzzwords on a resume mean nothing.
- Have something to Demo - And I'm not talking about a personal blog. Write a web application with a front and back end. Digital Ocean will let you set up a VPS with enough grunt to run a full stack web server for 10$ a month. And it might let you slip in your knowledge of Linux administration in there.
- Flood the market with resumes - I sent out probably fifty resumes before I got a hit, but I nailed the first interview because my knowledge far outpaced my qualifications.
- Don't get discouraged - There are companies out there who are looking for talent. They're usually small or medium sized businesses who will treat their people very well.
- Don't dress like a slouch for the interview - We all know that software firms have pretty lax, by comparison, dress codes, but during your interview, you had better be in a suit and tie. This also applies to your first day, wear a shirt and tie until they tell you otherwise.
Long Lu
2,493 PointsThanks, Clay
Liam Foster
2,856 PointsLike it Clay, Thanks!
Richard Feinburg
2,970 PointsWithout a 2 or 4 year degree in design or web then most companies and recruiters will not consider you for a job. Freelance is a different ball park but that's all about networking. I really like Treehouse but if you think you will get a full time job just by learning from here and even if your really good at it. Companies want that piece of paper. Which I think it's a good thing because you put in 2 to 4 years learning what you want to do, get good at it and (PLUS for me) gets me in the door ahead of the high school only people. ;-)
Tyler Groskreutz
14,793 PointsAs a business owner, I would rather see that someone spent extra time learning development on a site like Treehouse, Lynda, etc., and then apply it in some way, whether its a project they do for fun or find a couple freelance gigs. It shows that they have a passion to about development or a passion to better themselves. More than already knowing the languages, I find the passion to learn and expand, a more desirable trait than someone who did their time at two or four year school.
I go back and forth on whether or not a design professional ever needs a degree. Designers perfect their skills by surrounding themselves with a community of critical designers, and I'm not always certain that taking biology, algebra, and humanities classes makes for designers. Better people? Yes. But degrees don't necessarily mean more qualified.
The long and short of it is that I would rather spend time teaching a passionate person kerning, column layouts, or php instead of constantly motivating a know-it-all degree holder who got because its what they had to do to get a job.
Richard Feinburg
2,970 PointsI completely understand what your going at. The problem is that a lot of people are not natural good at type, kerning, white space, color theory and layout. Most people will need to go to school to learn all these skills and be somewhat good at it. About your core classes in college, until your going to a state school or a big university then most school will not have to take those classes.
I have a 4 year degree in BFA in Graphic Design. I only took a few web classes in school 10 years ago. Even though I don't do much print anymore, all those design classes and that degree help me to layout website that looks professional. Treehouse, help me how to write code better and learn WordPress. Without my foundation in Graphic Designer, my work would look bad.
But with all that say, if you would have to pick a person with a 4 year degree any design field and spend extra time learning development like treehouse vs someone that just learn development like treehouse. Which one do you think you would pick if the portfolio were about the same?
Aaron Walton
3,557 PointsSorry but this just is not true. There are certainly companies out there that look for a degree, but most are more interested in your practical experience and skills.
Richard Feinburg
2,970 PointsI didn't say all companies but most will. When I got a job for AT&T in there web department, minimum they required a 2 year old degree. Small companies are different then big companies but every job I reply, would not let me subject without a degree.
Aaron Walton
3,557 PointsI'm going to partially agree with you. Many companies would like to see a degree - but it doesn't necessarily need to be related to the web or programming.
Long Lu
2,493 PointsThank you guys for all the comments, but we are not talking about if a degree is necessary or not. My situation is that I got a degree from University, and I tell you that most of the coding skills I know are not from university classes. However, the concepts of web or software development still help me a lot, not to mention a paper means something to employer.
I am freelancer right now, and I have great clients network right now. I am good with people, good with coding and design. I can tell you right now that I make a good income by just freelance or start my own company.
However, I am just a Chinese guy who live in Canada which leave me no choose but to seek for a job in other company. It is the only way for me to stay in Canada longer than 3 years after graduation. Canada does not support self-employment people to immigrant unless you invest 1 million into your business.
I am getting good feedback from recruiters and companies, but I just want some kind of professional all-in-one finding job tips from a website like treehouse.
Richard Feinburg
2,970 PointsApply to every job that is relative to your field on all the job fields. Just remember to not reply to the same post more than once because you will get flag. Have a good portfolio foundation and make sure your resume is grammar and spelled check. Dress up to all interviews and don't be a smartass or cocky. Always send letterhead to all job post and always send a thank you email after your interview was over.
Dan Gorgone
Treehouse Guest TeacherDan Gorgone
Treehouse Guest TeacherNot sure if you've seen them, but we also have career-related courses, such as Careers Foundations and Soft Skills. There is a lot of advice in there for how to find jobs in the current tech market, how to prep yourself, do interviews, and more. Hope they help!