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General Discussion

Where Modern Education Fails, Treehouse Prevails!

I've been on Treehouse for about a month, and in that month, I've gone from knowing minimal things about Android, to knowing how to develop fully functional apps, including back ends, and more!

Reflecting on that inspired me to write a short essay on how the modern education system in America fails to cater to the students. If you're in college now, especially for Comp Sci, I implore you to read it and tell me if you feel similarly! :)

Hold Command (or CTRL on Windows) and CLICK HERE to read it in a new browser tab. :)

Well written and well said!

6 Answers

I totally agree with you.

Mohammed Jammeh
Mohammed Jammeh
37,463 Points

This is very true; I feel exactly the same. At the moment, I'm applying for university but I'm not even sure which course I should apply for. All my teachers are telling to go for Computer Science but from my experience, I have a feeling that I will only waste my time learning things that I will never get to use in the real world. This is the reason why I now spend my free time on Treehouse learning how to code.

It's a tricky decision to make. I think if you went for Computer Science, you'd have the theoretical grounding, plus the significant practical skills to be gained here at Treehouse. Not a bad mix--I agree with Doug.

Douglas Miles
Douglas Miles
2,193 Points

You just need to back what you have learned here with experience. so git on github and start working on some open source projects, or make your own. =)

Oh, and do not be afraid to enlighten talent scouts on why specialized education makes a better fit than traditional education. Specialized education being e-learning, you have to say things like most colleges besides ivy league colleges in the US do not provide the training they are looking for. For example, they may teach java but you still need to learn android after, in your case.. I used the example with php as my friend the talent recruiter couldn't find anyone that met their expectations. (their client was looking at formal education) the talent recruiter than showed their client, the benefits to this alternative education. They than hired someone based on open-source projects, and some traditional qualifiers.

My story is a little off-topic from your post, but I felt I needed to share.

Max Wijnschenk
Max Wijnschenk
903 Points

I recently left university where I was studying Computer Science for a few months. As stated before, I felt like I was learning too much sh!t that I most likely will never end up using. Alternatively I joined treehouse and I have already learned more applicable things here within a month than I have learned in university over a few months.

Mohammed Jammeh
Mohammed Jammeh
37,463 Points

That's what I'm saying.. At the moment, I'm applying for uni as well and my teachers are trying to convince me to apply for Computer Science but then again I feel like there isn't any point doing it. After looking at the modules that I'm supposed to be doing at uni next year, I was instantly demotivated. There are way too many modules for one head and in the end of I will be a 'jack of all trades' who cannot do anything. I have seen so many Computer Science graduates who are working in supermarkets plus degrees are too expensive.

Max Wijnschenk
Max Wijnschenk
903 Points

Maybe consider taking another course. Or if you like me really feel like self-study is the way to go, go and do it. Be careful though if you have parents or anything similar that really want you to go to uni, you might get into many many many fights and they might look down on you and be really demotivating. In that case be sure that you are willing to spend a lot of energy on this.

Mohammed Jammeh
Mohammed Jammeh
37,463 Points

My parents have the mentality that I cannot make it in life without going to uni but I know that there are many other channels to success. I'm still planning to get a degree and I'm thinking of applying for Web Technologies. I enjoy Web Programming so it shouldn't really be an issue at university. During my spare times, I will be learning other programming languages so that I will be up to date and keep improving my skills. Hopefully, it should all be good!

Lol, gotcha. Okay, assuming your parents are like my parents, (1st generation immigrants to UK......or US in my case), here's a way for you both to win: Get a degree, but in something other than Web Technologies. You have a point -- there are excellent resources like this website and tons that you can do on your own. Here are some ideas:

-Apply to read finance, economics or maths/stats, because the combination of that knowledge plus practical programming skills is highly sought after. If this is the path you take, make sure you do internships during your summer holiday, starting from your first year! There are often spring programs too, and that gets your foot in the door.
-Or you could get a degree in Computer Science, because you'll get a good theoretical grounding which you can put into practice. Again, make sure you do internships in industry to see how things are.
-Lastly, are there any flavors of engineering that you are interested in? Your parents are probably West African (Jammeh?), so chemical engineering or petrochemical engineering will definitely get them off your back. :P Again, internships! Which, if done right, will offset some of your uni fees.

Assuming you count as a home student, the fees should be manageable. Also, whatever degree course you choose, make sure you keep up the study on places like Treehouse, and make sure you get practical experience on the side, through internships, etc. :D

Mohammed Jammeh
Mohammed Jammeh
37,463 Points

Haha you see the struggle. My parents believe that a degree is everything; my mum's been telling I will go to uni since I was in nursery school. I'm definitely considering going to university but I'm not really relying on it; I have other plans.

I'm not very interested in engineering but I will have a look into finance and see whether I will like it. Yeah, I am from West Africa (Gambia), what about you?!

My parents will be more than the word happy if I do engineering lol but oh well I can't do something that I don't enjoy. I have already started doing Voluntary work in Web Development and I'm improving my skills by putting them into practice. Even if I go to uni, I will carry on doing the voluntary work or I will just try and find a part-time job within the web industry.

By the way, thanks for the advice man. I really appreciate it.

Lol, my parents are from Nigeria (and got to the US on student/post doc visas so they are extra intense about the importance of education!). Have a look at finance, and also, you are lucky because you are just applying to uni now, and you have the ability to tailor your studies. For example, you could do a combination that allowed you to specialize in data science: the unicorns of our time http://blog.treasure-data.com/post/29496343559/data-scientist-a-unicorn http://info.sagenceconsulting.com/blog/what-do-data-scientists-unicorns-have-in-common

If you did finance (which will probably include some maths/stats courses), or some specialized course, and kept up with your self-study, you don't have to stray too far from web development which you like, and you make yourself super employable (which any immigrant parent can appreciate).

And no problem: lol, I recognize the dilemma bc I've had this conversation with my own folks a million times! Good luck! :)

Mohammed Jammeh
Mohammed Jammeh
37,463 Points

Ah no wonder man, African parents are very serious when it comes to higher education. Anyway, I will check the links and thanks a lot for the advice man. I really appreciate it.