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Posted by Theodore Byram
Theodore Byram
6,150 Points

Why do I have to start over?!?!?!?

Since Treehouse gave CSS Foundations the axe, why do I have to start over with CSS basics to move forward with my track when I was almost finished with CSS Foundations. One step forward 10 steps back. Not Cool treehouse!

8 Answers

Robert Richey
PLUS
Robert Richey
Courses Plus Student 16,352 Points
Robert Richey
Robert Richey
Courses Plus Student 16,352 Points

Hi Theodore,

Learning is a life long journey. Unless you're one of the lucky ones who can see something once, master it, and move on, there will always be some repetition. A new, updated video series brings with it the latest in syntax and best practices. Feel good about your learning trajectory and what you've accomplished - you are the final judge in how much you know and need to learn.

Jessica Killeen
Jessica Killeen
2,043 Points
Jessica Killeen
Jessica Killeen
2,043 Points

I am feeling like Theodore...your messaging that the track would become obsolete on the 3rd gave the impression that we had until that time to complete the track as is. two days ago I was asked if I wanted to switch to include the newer material. As I was only 3.5 or so 'accomplishments' way from finishing my track I said no, let's get one under my belt. I logged on today to knock out the last 2....and I no longer have that choice.... it's pretty deflating :/ your messaging should contain accurate information. I wish you all had told me 2 days ago that it was not really a choice---perhaps you should remove the march date entirely.

Robert Richey
Robert Richey
Courses Plus Student 16,352 Points

Hi Jessica,

That's a valid concern and I've forwarded to the support team here at Treehouse. I was not aware CSS Foundations had ended early.

Theodore Byram
Theodore Byram
6,150 Points
Theodore Byram
Theodore Byram
6,150 Points

That is true Robert but you are totally missing the point. They shouldn't make you retake basic CSS once it is completed to continue on a track. The basic ideas and principles don't change because a updated web browser was released. I have put a lot of time into the course and to be forced to retake it is a slap in the face, and is basically saying my time is not worth anything.

Steven Dorfman
Steven Dorfman
7,079 Points
Steven Dorfman
Steven Dorfman
7,079 Points

I am right there with you Theodore. I understand and appreciate the update and care that team treehouse puts into this site and have learned a great deal, but I was very frustrated to see my progress essentially deleted. I have not had a chance to view the new css course but I believe there has to be some overlap. Robert, I understand your point about lifelong learning but to have something deleted that I worked hard for (not to mention paid for the privilege) to learn, I am extremely disappointed with this this.

Guil Hernandez
STAFF
Guil Hernandez
Treehouse Teacher
Guil Hernandez
Guil Hernandez
Treehouse Teacher

Hi everyone,

Please take a look at this related forum thread. In the thread we discuss why the changes are being made to the CSS content in the Web Design track.

We can keep CSS Foundations in the library as an additional CSS resource, but the time came to replace the course in our Web Design track since it no longer fits our current tracks model.

Please read the forum thread and send me a notification if you have any questions. :)

Jessica Killeen
Jessica Killeen
2,043 Points
Jessica Killeen
Jessica Killeen
2,043 Points

While I think we all understand and respect the need for current/relevant information for students, I have to reiterate that your messaging was misleading and incorrect, not as thought out and streamlined as it is being explained. What I do know is that sometime between the time I received my 'great work email' prompting me to complete the next stages -- in CSS Foundations--and me logging on ( < 1 day ) the recommended courses were gone. some miscommunication over there. Any explanation for the sudden switchover - before March 3rd date?

Guil Hernandez
Guil Hernandez
Treehouse Teacher
Guil Hernandez
Guil Hernandez
Treehouse Teacher

Hi Jessica Killeen,

You're right, transitioning those 4 stages over to the new course didn't go as smooth as I'd hoped it would go – that's why we re-published them.

CSS Basics and CSS Selectors have been in our library for several weeks, ready to go up on the Web Design track. That's why I mentioned in the forum thread that the switchover would happen on 2/17 followed by the full course retirement on 3/3.

Guil

Jessica Killeen
Jessica Killeen
2,043 Points
Jessica Killeen
Jessica Killeen
2,043 Points

Guil, I do not see a place to reply, but thank you for this explanation. I like your videos :) All the best, Jessica

Steven Dorfman
Steven Dorfman
7,079 Points
Steven Dorfman
Steven Dorfman
7,079 Points

I just finished the new css course. It is definitely better than the previous css foundations course, particularly due to the use of workspaces and the increased frequency of challenges and quizzes. Additionally, it was extremely useful for me to go back and review a lot of the things I learned through the course I had already completed because obviously css is difficult and a refresher is always valuable. However, I was able to complete 95% of the challenges using my notes and/or memory from the original class. Besides the updated and improved presentation what new content was generated in the new course?

Steven Dorfman
Steven Dorfman
7,079 Points
Steven Dorfman
Steven Dorfman
7,079 Points

Is there a reason other than the answer to my question was none that nobody has answered my question in 4 days? Perhaps Robert Richey can offer yet another patronizing discussion of learning as a lifelong journey.

Robert Richey
Robert Richey
Courses Plus Student 16,352 Points

Hi Steven,

That isn't fair. I'm a student also, and part of my responsibilities include being a positive, supporting member of the community. What I offered was my own opinion in how I would deal with the situation myself.

Consider contacting help@teamtreehouse.com. They've always been great to me and perhaps they can offer more insight to your question.

Cheers

Guil Hernandez
STAFF
Guil Hernandez
Treehouse Teacher
Guil Hernandez
Guil Hernandez
Treehouse Teacher

I just finished the new css course. It is definitely better than the previous css foundations course, particularly due to the use of workspaces and the increased frequency of challenges and quizzes. Additionally, it was extremely useful for me to go back and review a lot of the things I learned through the course I had already completed because obviously css is difficult and a refresher is always valuable.

Steven Dorfman - I'm glad to hear that the course was a valuable refresher. It seems like you've answered most of your own questions.

The course didn't generate new content per se—it actually has less content. The goal was to cover the basics first, then cover more advanced topics in subsequent courses (coming soon).