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General Discussion

Marco Villegas
Marco Villegas
7,687 Points

11 year old beginner (only some scratch experience): Any track appropriate for him? Suggestions of a track to follow?

Any track he might be able to follow? Or would an external online course be better? Any advice? Python track??? thanks!

9 Answers

Balazs Peak
Balazs Peak
46,160 Points

Greetings! I do personal mentoring for children in computer programming. Feel free to contact me at facebook.com/puklibalazs

I would suggest to start with one of these: "Digital Literacy", "Learn C#", "Learn Java".

The first one is a basic course on computer science and web development. The other two are computer languages which are very common, well evolved, and "easy" to understand - so that they are ideal to start with.

Marco Villegas
Marco Villegas
7,687 Points

Thanks for your response. Yes Digital Literacy looks like a good start!

Do you feel that continuing with "Learn C#" or "Learn Java" would be better for him to start with rather than a Python track or learning Alice (external site) or MIT App Inventor (external source)? tkx!

Steven Parker
Steven Parker
229,644 Points

I left both of those off my list due to the complexity of the languages. Unless the student shows a significant interest in one of those specifically, I would suggest one of the others I listed. The Game Development track does use C#, but not as the main focus.

I must admit that I'm not a child mentor, and Balazs may have some insight that unaware of that might make those more suitable than I think.

Steven Parker
Steven Parker
229,644 Points

Depending on the student's computer aptitude, and I've seen some 11-year-olds with really amazing aptitude, many of the tracks here might be possible choices. I would also consider the student's interests and attention span. Depending on what draws their interest the most, I'd think any of these might be candidates:


UPDATE: I didn't think about low-level languages as good for beginners, but now that I've seen Michael's suggestion I'm finding that intriguing. One thing the C language is used for is programming an Arduino, which is an inexpensive (particularly if you get a clone from Amazon) device that reads sensors and controls outputs such as LED's and servos. They are a ton of fun to play with and might provide extra incentive and immediate feedback for a young C programmer.

Marco Villegas
Marco Villegas
7,687 Points

He is doing homeschooling (Ron Paul Curriculum) and the science course he is about to begin includes programing and building an Arduino robot. Thanks for this update!

Steven Parker
Steven Parker
229,644 Points

Wow, excellent! It sounds like he might be able to choose additional learning on his own from there.

Balazs Peak
Balazs Peak
46,160 Points

That sounds really cool. For children, it is good to have visual and touchable aspects of the whole thing. Game development and hardware programming (using leds, etc) are great ways of that.

Balazs Peak
Balazs Peak
46,160 Points

Game Development is a great idea. It makes everything more interesting for kids.

MIT App Inventor is not an actual programming framework. It is a great tool, but I was assuming from your comment that our young buddy is ready to take a giant leap into the jungle of "real" programming :) If you are looking for special educational IDEs for children, you can use: Scratch, App Inventor, Microsoft Kodu... etc.

Alice is also a great idea. It is a special thing for education BUT much more complicated and sophisticated - maybe the perfect transition? You decide.

I think in this age, mentoring is a huge factor. I'm only consulting with my clients, I'm not trying to "sell as much working hours as possible". Self-education is very important, but when someone gets stuck, it can be very helpful to have a mentor, and also it is preventing losing motivation.

Marco Villegas
Marco Villegas
7,687 Points

OK, thanks Balazs. Let me think about all this and will get back to you directly.

Balazs Peak
Balazs Peak
46,160 Points

All right! I'll be at service :D

Marco Villegas
Marco Villegas
7,687 Points

Balazs, could you provide me your email? tkx

Balazs Peak
Balazs Peak
46,160 Points

You can find everything on my profile page, but just in case:

balazsptm@gmail.com

facebook.com/puklibalazs

Balazs Peak
Balazs Peak
46,160 Points

yeah, maybe the email is not public on the profile page? :\ sorry

Michael Hulet
Michael Hulet
47,912 Points

I definitely recommend doing the first half of the Digital Literacy track to start. Also, all the videos in the Treehouse Club series are made specifically for people like him. Honestly, though, I think it's a better idea to jump straight into more low-level languages than HTML, CSS, JavaScript, or Python like many of the beginner sites (like Treehouse) would recommend. When I was 8 years old, I spent about 20 minutes teaching myself the C programming language with this guide, and it's one of the best decisions I ever made. C is a very low-level language (about as close to the bare metal as you can get without just writing raw assembly code), so starting with that gives over a very deep understanding of how the computer works and how programming works, far more so than if you start with a higher level language like Python or JavaScript (plus, JavaScript is a pretty oddball language compared to everything else out there, anyway), and now I feel like I can learn just about any language in a few minutes. Personally, I highly recommend doing something like that

Marco Villegas
Marco Villegas
7,687 Points

Thanks for your advice! Will look into all of this. thanks much.